I thought we were talking stock for stock......in that case I have been reading up on Grand Ams (My G/F has a 2000 with the 3.4L) and there are people running high to mid 14's with intake, header, and exhaust.....fast as or faster than most CSVTs (3.0L not included).

Hector 2003 Rally Red Mitsubishi Evolution VIII 257HP/259TQ 2005 Lapis Blue Mazda 6s RET: 00 Cabernet Red Ford Contour Zetec ATX SUPERCHARGED 160HP/141TQ