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Originally posted by 2000GreenTour:
How many retail shops close whenever Wally Mart moves in? How about all the shuttered Wards and K Marts?
Are you blaming the government for the success of Wal-Mart and failure of K-Mart?  I don't like Wal-Mart myself but come on.
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Big Business leaders are just plain afraid to hire and are overworking what they got.
Exactly. The current productivity is not sustainable, so eventually, they will be forced to hire, and will have no choice.
As for Bank of America. That amount is high, but averages about 520 per month. Not so bad now methinks. Either way, shame that they won't list how many jobs will be created... FWIW, 4,000 of those people that will no longer be employed will be retiring.
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Originally posted by 2000GreenTour:
How many retail shops close whenever Wally Mart moves in? How about all the shuttered Wards and K Marts?
There's this thing called competition in business, perhaps you've heard of it?
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There's this thing called competition in business, perhaps you've heard of it?
His point was that just because Wal-Mart came in and hired 100,000 people in 50 new locations doesn't mean that they didn't close down 500 smaller stores in the surrounding area causing the loss of more jobs than they created.
It's things like that that make these little factoids about employment increases look good, but overall unemployment to go down; and the "quality of employment" measurement, which is never mentioned anywhere, to go WAY down.
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Originally posted by JaTo:
AGAIN, my main complaint has been that there are some gross overruns on the budgeted numbers for it; apart from the US military's initial sloppy response to providing security and protection to certain key facilities in Iraq immediately after the war, the progress that's been made is evidence that things ARE working.
As the saying goes, "Rome wasn't built in a day". Nor will Baghdad or ultimately, Iraq.
Can you elaborate on this "progress" ? All I can see that by now even the so far (more or less) peaceful Shi'as had enough of this "progress" and revolting in masses.
... and the Marines are fighting an artillery battle in Fallujah aginst the Sunni. This is not the occasional roadside bomb or window sniper anymore. Abizaid is asking for even more soldiers.
Spain wants to withdraw. Poland is probing too.
What progress are you talking about ?
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Approx. 23 million people in Iraq, with 65% of those being Shi'ite. One radical cleric and a few thousand of his supporters don't a "mass" revolt make. They are causing a stink, but I don't see a wave of people marching on Baghdad as of yet. In any case, you asked about progress. 1) Hussein is gone, sons killed and a majority of his staff captured. More and more militants are getting caught or killed by the day (which has cost the lives of some of US and Coalition troops  ). 2) Iraq has a governing council, representative of the ethnic/religious/social makeup (sans rabid Hussein supporters). This isn't without complaints and and issues (even from the council itself), but every budding government experiences growing pains. 3) Schools, roads and stores are being rebuilt, kids are being vaccinated, medical facilities are up and running, basic services are resuming throughout Iraq (not without difficulty, though) and construction continues, though at a slower pace that what most Americans would consider prudent. 4) New currency is in place and is being traded. While it remains weak against the dollar, it is no longer absolutely worthless. It still has a ways to go before reaching "peacetime" levels before the '91 war. 5) Iraq is beginning to establish an economic footprint for growth, though in it's infantcy stages. The US does have a problem with insurgents; no doubt about it. This is hampering any stable, lasting and large-scale growth in their infrastructure, but the FACT remains that growth is taking place and more people are getting back to work and resuming something that resembles daily normal life as each day goes by... ...except perhaps in Sunni-majority areas, which are apparently holding "negociations" with the 1st Marine Expeditionary force today and getting a lesson in the differences between "good" and "bad" behavior. I fail to recollect where ANYONE in this administration, outside of it in the media or even liberals said that this would be a quick and easy excercise. As bad as life was under Hussein for the vast majority of Itaqi people and having NO chance of it ever getting better while he was in power, things have taken a turn for the better. That's not to say that they are GREAT or even GOOD today, but they are better than when he was in power.
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Originally posted by 2000GreenTour:
"CHARLOTTE, N.C. - Bank of America Corp., newly merged with FleetBoston Financial Corp., said Monday it will cut 12,500 jobs _ or nearly 7 percent of its work force _ over the next two years."
Here is another one for the "happy days are here again" crowd. How many more mergers decided by the 'fat cat golfing buddies' will there be before all the "little people" are slinging Chicken Nuggets.
This recession isn't over till it's over!
Here is yet another example of what liberals will hammer the president on..
A merger...combining companies to become more efficient. Yes people get laid off, but is this the governments fault?? shall they block mergers? Shall they require that no one be laid off if no merger? You do understand that a more efficient company is at an advantage (and the converse true as well ) in a world marketplace. Buisinesses exist to make money. PERIOD. If they could have free robots do all the work (and they may) they would employ NOBODY. Do you want the government to FORCE companies to employ you. "Here Mr. junior CEO man, have a seat and ahhhh..watch the robot until 5 o'clock then punch out"
Nobody has mentioned the HUGE increases in productivity over the last few years = more work done with less workers. Due to technology, or merger, or just hard work Americans productivity is increasing and GNP is increasing as well. No mention of skyrocketting diasbility/workers comp claims, heathcare insurance that companies must soak up = less ability to afford workers. The corporate fraud and collapse brewing for a decade that collapse (Tyco, Enron, WorldCom) = many unemployed that also lose pensions. The tech bubble collapse, the WTC collapse. None of this is the President's fault...yet this is being HELD AGINST the President...its insane!
Yes, people are out of work. Clear evidence suggest that the trend is reversing, that unemployment is slowly declining. But keep in mind that we entered recession before Bush, and with all the above factors I mentioned and more, think it is REMARKABLE that we are doing as well as we are with 5.7% unemployed. Unemployment worldwide is striking 10-20% + in most of Europe, Canada. But frankly, many here give way to much credit (good or bad) to the government for the job market..its just "work" supply and demand folks.
Finally, we as American's need to recognise that the world is changing FAST. That we need to be able to adapt, and not plan on one job from 18-65 like are fathers, grandfathers. To adapt requires education, lifelong learning skills, some guts. We lag behind and have for some years...many countries are WAY ahead by highschool in math, science, while we enjoy the latest in "Political Correctness 101 theory" and "Revisionist History 102". American's need to start taking more personal responsibility for there education/training and be prepared to change careers several times. Either that or blame the government for not educating you, not handling you a CEO job, not proving cradle to grave benefits. I am sorry for any here who are really trying to find a job with not luck. But you are fooling yourself if you think another administration will do you any real favors here..
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
But you are fooling yourself if you think another administration will do you any real favors here..
Bottom Line quote.
If you think employment will go up with another administration, you will be in for a rude awakening. If unemployent is your beef with this administration, I guarantee it will be worse with a less business friendly one.
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it's amazing how all these expert analyst jump out of the wood work during political discussions. this always turns into a bipartisan argument with most of the bush backers licking the plate of the bs pie they've been eating.
regardless of the job done by the president it's obvious that people were intimidated and evidence was massaged in order to strengthen the case for war and increase public support.
whether it was worth it or not is yet to be seen. for some people it's already been more than worth it. i wouldn't put greed or pride past any man's bad judgement.
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Well, having survived several buyouts in my current position, I will first be thankful for being fortunate.
I will second state that even though an employer quotes a number of layoffs, the actual number of workers put on the unemployment rolls is generally much lower, except for specialized or non-competitive jobs. There will be some reorganization, which will open some positions. In most cases natural growth also leads to the opening of positions. Workers whose jobs are being eliminated will switch to these newly available positions. Other workers will find other employment prior to actually being laid off, delaying the layoff date for those who remain to later phases. Others will choose to retire (or otherwise leave the workforce) when their job ends, though they may have stayed in the workforce otherwise.
Natural attrition and new opportunities will absorb at least a strong minority of the shed jobs, and in many cases, a majority.
Don't assume every time you hear about layoffs that all those people suddenly or even as a result become unemployed.
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Originally posted by svtcarboy:
Well, having survived several buyouts in my current position, I will first be thankful for being fortunate.
I will second state that even though an employer quotes a number of layoffs, the actual number of workers put on the unemployment rolls is generally much lower, except for specialized or non-competitive jobs. There will be some reorganization, which will open some positions. In most cases natural growth also leads to the opening of positions. Workers whose jobs are being eliminated will switch to these newly available positions. Other workers will find other employment prior to actually being laid off, delaying the layoff date for those who remain to later phases. Others will choose to retire (or otherwise leave the workforce) when their job ends, though they may have stayed in the workforce otherwise.
Natural attrition and new opportunities will absorb at least a strong minority of the shed jobs, and in many cases, a majority.
Don't assume every time you hear about layoffs that all those people suddenly or even as a result become unemployed.
So what you're saying is this whole thing is a sham? 
The two that I have been apart of have been worse than initially quoted layoffs.
This also affects the new job market by driving down wages because of the glut of workers bidding for these jobs.
Now I understand supply and demand but somehow you have to keep up with the cost of living that year after year never seems to slow down much. So how do you counter your sliding wages? Educate yourself. Good idea but that costs money and time. Let's say your a salaried middle manager with a family. How much extra time and money do you have? Now your department cuts some staff and you and whats left have to pickup the slack. How's that extra time and money thing working out? Where do the wife and kids fit in?
Until you find yourself in this kind of situation you have very little idea what your up against.
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