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Originally posted by Derk2000:
Originally posted by Derk2000:
I do belive unemployment numbers come from those who are receiving unemployment benefits. If you've been on unemployment for so long, and you're no longer eligable for benefits, you're not "counted" as unemployed. 
I meant to write "someone please correct me if I'm wrong" on this, as I would really like to know how unemployment is "counted."
The official unemployment numbers have nothing to do with those receiving Unemployment Assistance for the exact reason you describe -- it's not accurate.
Unemployment is counted by the census bureau form a survey of 60,000 households (the households change yearly or quarterly, can't remember) around the nation that have been deemed to be a representative cross-section of the nation.
Obviously it can lean pretty significantly to being over or under generous when it comes to the percentage.
If every autoworker in Detroit was laid off with the exception of the X number of Detroit Autoworkers in the unemployment survey, then the laying off of all those workers wouldn't affect the unemployment numbers at all.
Obviously that's not likely to happen to that extreme, but something similar could happen. Likewise, the reverse could happen.
The 60,000 household number is deemed statistically significant.
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Gee, Packrat,
If a little knowledge is dangerous,
Then that must mean you are dangerous.
It's great that you insist on demonstrating how well you qualify for that dangerous label.
Have a nice day.
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Hey, I did NOT criticize the quality of the military in Bush's invasion of Iraq. But it's pretty clear he knew squat about what he'd do after he won.
Ah, the Marshall plan. I brought that up over dinner with an intelligence analyst for the Pentagon two weeks before the invasion, in early March 2003. (Here's a shocker for you: He was able to keep his dinner down while talking with me. But then his field is intelligence, unlike your specialty, looking exclusively at facts that suit you.) When we used the Marshall plan to rebuild governments in West Germany and Japan, we dealt with fairly well educated populaces, each with a high degree of homogeneity, and each with a culture of respect for authority and ability to work toward common goals.
Go ahead. Tell us how the Kurds, Sunnis and Shi'ites are as well educated as the West Germans were, or how they are as socially cohesive as the Japanese were. Yes, the Marshall Plan was expensive back then, but that plan then had a prayer of being sucessful. Given how how Bush's non-plan for Iraq is both so wise and successful, who's the moron?
And yeah, Senator Lugar is starting hearings because not only is everything going so well in Iraq, but he's also SO satisfied with Bush's post-Saddam plan to pull it off -- a stable Iraqi government. HA! You must think congressional hearings are held all the time to deal with things that are going according to plan. You can't figure out Bush's lack of a viable plan problem without a congressional staffer briefing you?
Thanks for taking the Africa bait. We invaded Iraq because of some al queda people being in Iraq. There are al queda people in Africa (and more places besides Iraq). Bush has invaded each of those countries in Africa and elsewhere too, hasn't he? Oh, that's right. The ones in Africa are not enough of a threat. They did not hijack planes... like the Iraqis did?
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Originally posted by RT and his SE:
What's been insourced? I think they threw that number out to see if it would stick.
i haven't finished reading the thread yet so forgive me if this has already been mentioned but i know that kia is building a plant here in the u.s. though i can't remember where. for just one example.
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Originally posted by PDXSVT:
Hey, I did NOT criticize the quality of the military in Bush's invasion of Iraq. But it's pretty clear he knew squat about what he'd do after he won.
Well, rebuilding and restructing things seemed to be a pretty good start, which is in-progress, or did you expect Baghdad and a thriving and educated society mirroring those of the 7th century Caliphs to spring up overnight, like WAY too many people here in the US did? As you yourself mention below in reference to the Marshall Plan, getting a hold of a heterogeneous population (some of which is outright hostile and dangerous to deal with) is quite a bit different than getting the Japanese and Germans in line at the end of WWII.
Different situations, though the end goal is the same. To pound it in the sand yet again, reconstruction is an iterative process; one that is difficult to place EXACT dates and numbers on...
I've said it once and I'll say it again; the Bush administration wasn't prepared to handle EVERY contingency that came up and bit them in Iraq, in terms of post-war reconstruction. At the same time, don't try to convince me or anyone else with a shred of intelligence that it's been an excercise where we've fallen FLAT on our faces.
AGAIN, my main complaint has been that there are some gross overruns on the budgeted numbers for it; apart from the US military's initial sloppy response to providing security and protection to certain key facilities in Iraq immediately after the war, the progress that's been made is evidence that things ARE working.
As the saying goes, "Rome wasn't built in a day". Nor will Baghdad or ultimately, Iraq.
Originally posted by PDXSVT:
Ah, the Marshall plan. I brought that up over dinner with an intelligence analyst for the Pentagon two weeks before the invasion, in early March 2003. (Here's a shocker for you: He was able to keep his dinner down while talking with me. But then his field is intelligence, unlike your specialty, looking exclusively at facts that suit you.)...
Try impressing me a different way, like answering my questions. Believe me when I say you aren't the only one on these boards that likes to brow-beat certain acquaintances and close friends in various government roles on ideas...
Originally posted by PDXSVT:
Go ahead. Tell us how the Kurds, Sunnis and Shi'ites are as well educated as the West Germans were, or how they are as socially cohesive as the Japanese were.
Why would I do this when it flies in the face or reality? Why do you insist playing "Colombo" with yourself?
Originally posted by PDXSVT:
Yes, the Marshall Plan was expensive back then, but that plan then had a prayer of being sucessful.
LMAO! That's easy to say, now that history has already played it's part out. It wasn't always that transparent. I listened firsthand to the former department chair of Japanese Studies at OU (a Dr. Sydney Brown) tell me and a few others how he was one of the first civilian linguists and cultural attaches to land in Japan after the surrender. It was some time before he and MANY others felt comfortable that Japan was going to finally be able to stand on her own feet. I can't recall the exact time, but I know it was YEARS, not months...
Originally posted by PDXSVT:
Given how how Bush's non-plan for Iraq is both so wise and successful, who's the moron?
If only you would extend the same courtesy that I've extended you in answering questions, instead of DODGING them...
AGAIN, for the nth time, the Bush administration didn't have an entirely cohesive plan. I believe Rumsfeld has even said this. At the same time, it was IMPOSSIBLE to determine the scale of damage done to Iraq and the people's needs until we had people on the GROUND to determine some of these requirements.
No matter how close the resolution is, a satellite photo is only going to tell so much of the story before you have to send in engineers to assess the damage.
Originally posted by PDXSVT:
And yeah, Senator Lugar is starting hearings because not only is everything going so well in Iraq, but he's also SO satisfied with Bush's post-Saddam plan to pull it off -- a stable Iraqi government. HA! You must think congressional hearings are held all the time to deal with things that are going according to plan.
What plan? You've nearly puked on yourself claiming there IS no plan, now hearings are being held against a "plan"? Which story is it, so I know which one you are clinging onto for the time being?
Congressional hearings? Good lord you are daft! If I had a dime every time some Senator got their panties in a wad and hopped up in front of a microphone demanding "hearings", I'd be buried in coin!
Things are FAR from ideal in Iraq, but aren't most places that are akin to war-zones? If you were expecting Mai-Tai's and "Club Med" to pop up within 6 months to a year, delusionary doesn't even begin to describe the drooling stupidity that is being displayed.
Originally posted by PDXSVT:
Thanks for taking the Africa bait. We invaded Iraq because of some al queda people being in Iraq.
That's BS and you know it. This was a flimsy reason that the Bush administration tried to use and it fell flat on it's face as it was very circumstantial and shaky at best; the reason we went into Iraq was WMD and to make sure Hussein would no longer serve as a threat now or in later years. Hell, it stood on it's own. I'm still questioning why they felt they had to put a square peg into a round hole with that one when there has been clear intelligence on numerous Syrian and Eqyptian terrorists moving in and out of Iraq for decades.
Originally posted by PDXSVT:
There are al queda people in Africa (and more places besides Iraq). Bush has invaded each of those countries in Africa and elsewhere too, hasn't he?
Nope, Clinton pulled that one and ended up tucking tail and running home or creating the equivalent of a fireworks display in a couple of tents. Half-measures were his speciality, I must say...
...given your COMPLETE lack of any mention of what you would consider as a good strategy to take, it sounds like yours, too. You can whine and complain with the best of them, I'll give you that. Coming up with a shred of what you think should have been done? NOTHING. All I hear is "Well, I would have done things different" or "things should have been done different"; something Kerry seems to be saying an awful lot as well.
In most lines of work that I'm aware of, someone b!tching and moaning that much without any mention of exactly what would have been done different would have their ass canned and out on the street within hours.
Originally posted by PDXSVT:
Oh, that's right. The ones in Africa are not enough of a threat. They did not hijack planes like the Iraqis did?
No, they didn't have a COMBINATION of things: suspected arsenals of WMD, people working on a clandestine nuclear programs, threatening regional destabilization in an area that is vital to strategic US intrests by attacking neighbors, or known government dealings with terrorists. It's NOT one single piece that ran us towards Iraq; it was a MULTITUDE of issues.
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Originally posted by PDXSVT:
Gee, Packrat,
If a little knowledge is dangerous,
Then that must mean you are dangerous.
It's great that you insist on demonstrating how well you qualify for that dangerous label.
Have a nice day.
Yeah, I'm dangerous because I can see through your [censored] like a big picture window.
Get over yourself.
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FWIW, both the February and March job reports were revised upwards, so for the past 3 months, 517,000 jobs were created.
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sigma - thanks for the info. that's about as accurate as I could expect these figures to be without needlessly spending kajillions of research dollars. Good info.
I'd like to throw this out, just to say it:
As a 23 year old I'm pretty ashamed of my peers. It seems that we feel we're able to b*tch, moan, piss, and grunt about who's in command, taxes, the country, etc.
If you don't routinely get off your keister and practice your right to vote, you have no right to complain.
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"CHARLOTTE, N.C. - Bank of America Corp., newly merged with FleetBoston Financial Corp., said Monday it will cut 12,500 jobs _ or nearly 7 percent of its work force _ over the next two years."
Here is another one for the "happy days are here again" crowd. How many more mergers decided by the 'fat cat golfing buddies' will there be before all the "little people" are slinging Chicken Nuggets.
This recession isn't over till it's over!
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"Fact of the matter is, the retailers are HIRING" Again whoopiee! How many retail shops close whenever Wally Mart moves in? How about all the shuttered Wards and K Marts? Big Business leaders are just plain afraid to hire and are overworking what they got. If they could find a way to run companies by robots, they'd do it in a heartbeat. 
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