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I see you are still up to your old ploy of NOT addressing any questions put forth to you or even trying to refute or defend any of the half-assed positions that I've torn to shreds...
Originally posted by PDXSVT:
OOPS. Now Sen. Lugar agrees we have a mess on our hands in Iraq and he's dissappointed the Bush administration does not really have a plan, and so needs extra time to develop one.
No one is questioning whether we have a mess in Iraq. Daily deaths of our troops is testament of that. It's still a war zone in places, for all intents an purposes, though a LOT of progress has been made.
The Bush administration executed one of the quickest and most overwhelming victories in military history last year; their follow-up and planning has been less than stellar, as I have mentioned in the past. Budgetary overruns have been enormous (mainly due to the fact that we didn't have civil engineers on the ground from '91 onwards checking Iraqi infrastructure out with a fine-tooth comb, DUH) and the situation has been a fluid one. People (especially you) are forgetting that rebuilding and reconstituting an ENTIRE country is a very iterative process; you would have to be an unforgiveable MORON to think this is like building a house, where you can run your pricing by a contractor or your local Lowe's or Home Depot and come up with a number that would probably be within 2-5% accurate.
The Marshall Plan wasn't executed down to the nearest estimated dollar amount, either, but our budgetary overruns have been rather obscene compared to the inital numbers put forth. I'll never deny that.
Originally posted by PDXSVT:
Lugar's perplexed Bush blundered in like an idiot. JaTo, I guess you know better than Lugar how Bush was so poised and wise to jump on an easy kill.
Given that he was one of the one's in favor of Bush enforcing UN 1441 to the letter , I'd say your full of s**t and he's simply venting what most everyone is: frustration that things haven't gone as smoothly as expected. No-one knew precisely what state we were going to find Iraq in. If so, I'd kotow to your point.
Originally posted by PDXSVT:
How long have you chaired the foreign relations committee now, JaTo?
As long as you've been able to make some coherent sense...
...or in other words, never.
By the way, how long have you been editing director for the Fisher-Price pop-up books on "History for the Mentally-Challenged?" 
I know, it was a shameless joke at your expense. I seriously hope there will be other opportunities for this in later posts!
Originally posted by PDXSVT:
And what's Bush doing now to stabilize Africa, since the terrorists will go there to set up shop after that plan of Bush's which you admire so much turns the middle east all democractic and pro-western?
God, you've actually forgotten that they've ALREADY set up shop there and have been working out of North-Eastern Africa for quite some time??? Seems someone is forgetting that Al-Qaeda has been in Africa since the early '90s; the run-in that our Army Rangers had with the rather nasty rabble in Mogadishu, Somaila was supposedly one of the first Al-Qaeda engagements with US troops.
Just because you aren't reading or hearing about Somalia, Sudan, Yemen and some other places in Africa doesn't mean that we don't have folks sniffing around those parts...
Don't think that for a MINUTE.
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Originally posted by PDXSVT:
...JaTo is a big boy.
I try, God knows I try but ranting liberals bring out the mean-spirited loudmouth in me.
Originally posted by PDXSVT:
JaTo asked for substance.
Nothing has changed. I still am.
Originally posted by PDXSVT:
He wouldn't accept it from me. But he got it from Sen. Lugar today instead. Loud and clear.
Ok, now it's my turn to ask you how long you've been Sen. Lugar's personal assistant? Let me guess, about as long as I've been donating money to the DNC...
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
Originally posted by SVT ST PETE:
So why has homelessness has been steadliy rising?
I'll believe those numbers when I see my many unemployed college graduate friends find jobs.
Sorry, but a man who can't run a baseball team, learns basic 9th grade government during his run for President, and makes up new words, etc., etc., etc. isn't my idea someone I like as President. 
I doubt that is really is. Where is the data? As you pointed out, numbers may not always be trusted. I deal alot with the homeless here and I see no local trends myself.
Unemployed college friends...I had some of those too in the 90s. They were, well lazy (not that this applies to your friends, whom I do not know). But they were fond of excuses...fortunately, most shaped up eventually.
He did graduate Harvard
He made millions as a buisinessman
He is able to fly an F-102 fighter ("excellent pilot" to as his commander noted in his fitrep...one of the little details that came out during the BS, failed national guard inquistion. While not quite as challengeing as running a group of ball wackers, its not bad...F 102 is notoriously tricky to fly. 
I've read it about it in many sources and seen it firsthand with the number of homeless increasing in Rockville.
Unemployed college friends? Try friends with degrees (up to Masters) who have been laid off and can't find anything.
I don't declare myself to be affiliated with any party. I'll vote for the right candidate when I see fit.
Does Bush deserve to be re-elected? I look at it this way: Am I better off now than I was before he was elected?
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"Retailers added 47,000 jobs last month"
Big deal 
Best Buy, Circuit City, and Wal Mart are hiring! Most of those new retail jobs went to highly skilled workers out of desparation.
"Construction industry added jobs"
Contractors routinely pick up workers at "Day Labor" sites, for pennies. Lots of "good jobs" added there too!
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I would say it is not proper to judge a President simply by looking at whether you are better off now than 3 1/3 years ago.
The President does not control everything that affects your overall well-being.
A better score of judgement is to do what you are doing. Then see what differences are due to actions by the administration and those which were beyond the administrations control.
Then if the items beyond the administration's control need action by the administration after they happened, how did they act upon those items. Some items have nothing to do with the President or any other elected official.
You see the pattern of behavior of the incumbent by the first analysis. Then you see what the other states they would have done, or what their platform is to address the current situation. Then pick the one you feel will lead the country as a whole in the better direction.
If you cannot in good conscience vote for either direction, then select the third party candidate that best states where you want the country to go. I likely will be doing the last, as I have serious problems with the vision of both candidates.
If Bush would stop his extra-curricular moral engineering programs, I would vote for him.
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Originally posted by 2000GreenTour:
"Retailers added 47,000 jobs last month"
Big deal
Best Buy, Circuit City, and Wal Mart are hiring! Most of those new retail jobs went to highly skilled workers out of desparation.
"Construction industry added jobs"
Contractors routinely pick up workers at "Day Labor" sites, for pennies. Lots of "good jobs" added there too!
Speculation and guessing is a wonderful thing, isn't it?
You ought to come up with the "I-got-this-job-out-of-desperation" job index.
Fact of the matter is, the retailers are HIRING. I don't know of too many people that got a job out of desperation. If they did, at least they got one! Like Perry, most people are still looking to find the best-paying job with the best benefits. Any time you have the opportunity to choose, accept, and deny a job, you're still better off than most.
As for the contractors picking up "Day Labor" workers... You are correct in that, but March wasn't the first month contractors were able to hire Day Labor workers. I doubt that Day Labor workers are part of that index anyway, as to be part of the index, you have to be added to company payroll. Most Day Labor workers get cash on the spot. Fact is, the construction jobs were nudged mostly due to expansion and good weather.
Unemployment is at 5.7% guys, it's not the end of the world as some of you make it out to be. You think you got it bad? My half-sister in Czech would be dying to take a retail job just so she can even HAVE one. The unemployment in that particular region is above 15%.
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Originally posted by JVT:
Like Perry, most people are still looking to find the best-paying job with the best benefits. Any time you have the opportunity to choose, accept, and deny a job, you're still better off than most.
I have not been offered ANY job. I've sent out over 100 resumes over the past few months. I've sent out resumes for jobs that I didn't necessarily want, but with the idea that I'd keep looking should I get the job. I turned down one interview because the job didn't pay enough for the distance I would have to commute (at least 60 miles, maybe more), and I couldn't afford to move for the pay combined with the fact that it was just a 3 month contract.
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Originally posted by JaTo:
Originally posted by PDXSVT:
...JaTo is a big boy.
I try, God knows I try but ranting liberals bring out the mean-spirited loudmouth in me.
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I would say most of your shredding has been more a point of your perception then fact. While you make some good arguments the name calling is unneeded. That's more a Packrat thing. When you don't see things his way you're an f'en liberal and liberals are the root of all evil! Do people really think you can change other peoples opinions by brow beating and verbally abusing them?
I love reading the political debates on this site! Some show truly great thinking too but there's no need for the Fisher Price rectal cranial inversion name calling.
Besides if it weren't for the liberals then we would all think alike and wouldn't that be a good thing! 
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Originally posted by perry:
I have not been offered ANY job. I've sent out over 100 resumes over the past few months. I've sent out resumes for jobs that I didn't necessarily want, but with the idea that I'd keep looking should I get the job. I turned down one interview because the job didn't pay enough for the distance I would have to commute (at least 60 miles, maybe more), and I couldn't afford to move for the pay combined with the fact that it was just a 3 month contract.
Loc: Cornfields of Indiana
No surprise there that you're having a hard time finding an IT job. 
In all seriousness, I thought you were having better luck, thinking you were getting offers...
Thought about moving?
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Originally posted by JVT:
Thought about moving?
Sure. Where to? Gimme an offer and I'm there. Lots of jobs I apply to say "no relocation assistance provided," so I just put something about not needing relocation expenses in my cover letter... doesn't seem to matter. I can commute to Indy, know several people that do. It's only about 50 miles to the NE side of the city..
I've been applying mostly for jobs in Indianapolis, Dayton, Columbus, and Cincinatti because I can easily drive to those places for an interview... I could move w/o a job, but where to? At least in Muncie I can apply to multiple cities, but if I moved I'd only be applying in one city, but then I'm not a "local candidate". Catch 22 really.
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