Originally posted by JaTo:
Originally posted by mr_froge:
Originally posted by Contouraholic:
Vietnam is not a comparable situation. We lost because the Democrats ran the military by public consensus instead of good military tactics. It was the Democrats who started the police action (JFK) and escalated the war (LBJ). It was a republican who ended the war (Nixon). Hopefully, Bush won't fall into the trap of trying please everyone (especially you).




I'm afraid your history is incorrect, there was a Republican President by the name of Eisenhower who was the first to send advisors, helicopters and solders to Vietnam. The man was afraid of the "Domino Theory".

Vice-President Bush (Cheney is the real President) won't try to please everybody, only himself.. Bush is still trying to avenge Bush Senior's embarrassment.



Guess I'll have to start into you now as well...

It was Truman (a Democrat) that actually sent the first OSS troops into Vietnam in 1945, if you REALLY care to get technical (I had to look this one up, actually; I knew the US had a small presence there very soon after WWII but couldn't remember exactly when).

In the scope and scale of things, JFK really didn't have a whole lot to do with Vietnam, either; not when compared to LBJ, who tried to run the entire conflict from the Oval office.

I'm too tired to start into the other brand of sewage you are selling here...

Maybe later.



Just to add to Jato's comments, I didn't bring in Ike and Truman as the French were running things in 'nam for the great while. When the French pulled out, Kennedy started sending in ARMED advisors (Many Green Beret in the bunch) and started the escalation and our "takeover" of the "Police Action".

In addition, Nixon started the "Peace with Honor" and withdrawal of troops. Had he remained president, he would of finished it. I was for not quitting and for fighting a real wars, not the type they were fighting up to then. And I enlisted in the Army, so my opinion had a direct effect on me. I didn't care for Nixon as president, but you have to credit him with the end of conflict in 'Nam.

Finally, anyone who believes Iraq and Iraqi's had better lives under Saddam then they do now, in my opinion, are deluded and probably incapable of rational thought. I understand and don't feel this way about those who believe we should not of attacked or remain in Iraq, but those who use the argument that Iraq citizens were better off with Saddam are just a few chicken nuggets short of a happy meal.



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