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Hip Hip Hooray! My fiance got a part time job paying $8.50 an hour with no benefits this week too. She'd been making $35K/yr until 7/02.
So the economy may limp back into employment just in time for Iraq to blow up in Bush's face. Anyone wanna place bets on whether the ayatollahs in Iraq will really allow the US sponsored interim constitution to stick as it is written now? Our election does not happen until months after sovereignty is to be passed to the Iraqis. Maybe our rebounding economy will help pay for our keeping forces over there for a full four more years, like members of the senate foreign relations committee co-chaired by Sen. Lugar (R-IN) had surmised. If that sovereignty change happens around the end of June, lets see how the Dow Jones responds to the ayatollahs around July through October, and then we can discuss our vibrant, healthy economy.
Is Condi Rice still focusing on missle defense? (OK, that last one's a cheap shot. That was her focus on 9/10/01. After all, she did change her focus the next day to Iraq. Must have been because of all those Iraqi hijackers.)
And while you flame me, quit the "But Clinton messed up on terrorism too" chant. Clinton's not running in this election packaging himself as a hero in the war on terrorism. (But if you MUST dwell on the past, then how about discussing how Saddam got the gas he used on the Kurds... during the Reagan administration? What was Rumsfeld's job back then?)
Anyway, our show of force did not exactly turn the tide in Vietnam, but here we are again, needing to "win the peace," to "win the hearts and minds." Do you really do that by turning the Middle East into a sea of glass?
Enjoy your jobs and contemplate how many MORE enemies we have NOW, swearing to kill us all, than we did one year ago. Between 9/11/01 and 3/03, we had allies newly eager to share intelligence on terrorists. Now we have former allies who are convinced we're liars on a deluded power trip. Thanks George, I feel safer already.
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I think it is a 2 way street. We outsource good and not so good jobs out of the U.S. Typically it makes the company more profitable...so it expands (and some of the expansion often involves hiring US worker) and pays more US taxes. On the otherhand tying US companies hands by restricting outsourcing may make them less competative than other companies which may be based in other countries. So they gain market share, the US company is crippled or killed off and LOSES US JOBS ANYWAY.
Furthermore, insourcing provides some really good jobs. A great example is Honda..a big plant is near my home town in Ohio and many HS classmates are working there. Without any college they are now making $60-$100K+/year with excellent benefits. No better jobs available (without a professional degree) near my old town. Many Japanese and Euro car comanies now build in the US...it has been a win-win for the US.
America invented capitalism and global economy as we know it. We do it better than anybody. This "game" we are talking about is our own game. We have won and will continue to win. There are some risks but risks are greater when you tamper & place restrictions that interfere with global trade. We lose jobs in one segment, we invent another(I hear nanotechnology is going to be up and comming). Have faith in America folks..
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Good stuff. Consider that those numbers do not include new business startups and the outlook is even better. The new business startup numbers will usually lag behind 6 months or so because the polling agency doesn't have any contact info to querry the new business.
I KNOW that there are LOTS of startups in this area. Myself for one.
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon: America invented global economy as we know it.
I thought it was those stinking Italians.. Marco Polo and all.
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The administration can spin their numbers all they want. I ask myself the basic question: Am I as well off under the Bush administration as I was under the Clinton administration? NO. Do I feel as confident of this country's future under the current administration as the past administration? NO. From my viewpoint, jobs are still evaporating around here. Just yesterday, a company here in Topeka closed up, eliminating 1000 jobs. I've been looking for a better job for years, as have most of my co-workers, but there's nothing to be found in this area. I'm talking upper level engineering positions, not burger-flipping. Things may be looking better on the east or west coasts, but here in the midwest, we're always years behind when it comes to economic trends. By the time the economy picks up around here, I'll be retired.....literally.
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Originally posted by daenku32: Originally posted by Dan Nixon: America invented global economy as we know it.
I thought it was those stinking Italians.. Marco Polo and all.
That was Global economy version 1.0. We are currently on version 20.0, licenced to U.S.A. inc.
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Originally posted by PDXSVT: Hip Hip Hooray! My fiance got a part time job paying $8.50 an hour with no benefits this week too. She'd been making $35K/yr until 7/02.
Even when an economy is a strong as it can be, people lose jobs, plants close, companies move plants, etc. I am not diminishing your pain or situation, but good people lose jobs all the time. I am sure there is a job with similar pay somewhere. Often your choice is $8.00 here or better pay somewhere else. I've worked in NY, CT and NJ. I go where the work is. It is inconvenient, but it doesn't mean a good job doesn't exist.
Originally posted by PDXSVT: So the economy may limp back into employment just in time for Iraq to blow up in Bush's face.
Employment is better now then it has been for the last ten years. I realize if unemployment is at 00.1% and you are in the 00.1%, it makes no difference.
Originally posted by PDXSVT: ...ingnored rant... ---
Anyway, our show of force did not exactly turn the tide in Vietnam, but here we are again, needing to "win the peace," to "win the hearts and minds." Do you really do that by turning the Middle East into a sea of glass?
Enjoy your jobs and contemplate how many MORE enemies we have NOW, swearing to kill us all, than we did one year ago. Between 9/11/01 and 3/03, we had allies newly eager to share intelligence on terrorists. Now we have former allies who are convinced we're liars on a deluded power trip. Thanks George, I feel safer already.
Vietnam is not a comparable situation. We lost because the Democrats ran the military by public consensus instead of good military tactics. It was the Democrats who started the police action (JFK) and escalated the war (LBJ). It was a republican who ended the war (Nixon). Hopefully, Bush won't fall into the trap of trying please everyone (especially you).
As far as more enemies, I think you are wrong. The enemies remain the same. We have no new enemies. The same people bombing our embassies and ships just addded targets. They were sworn to kill us before Iraq and I don't see that changing. They want to kill us because we exist. Whether we attack, hide, cower, it doesn't matter, they will want to kill us. There is no "Live and Let Live" policy from them. There is no negotiation with them because the only acceptable outcome they want is our death, Iraq or not.
Which allies shared intelligence before but now are former allies? France? Germany? they weren't are allies before this war in the sense that they didn't share intelligence and were in fact supporting Saddam even during the buildup before the war. As far as intelligence, the democrats gutted intelligence funding years ago so no wonder we were caught sleeping. However, because of our actions, Libya has given up all it's nuclear research and potential and places such as Syria are becoming concerned about our possible actions. If cleaning up Iraq causes our enemies to worry and possibly change there positions, it is a good thing.
Are we Safe? no. Are we as safe as could be? no? would we be safer if Kerry was running things? I believe we would be less safe with Kerry in charge.
Whether we went into Iraq or not, the terrorism would be with us. Had we not attacked Afghanistan and Iraq, the terrorist would have continued to believe we would do nothing as we did nothing in the past.
Those responding against my point of view, see if you can explain Kerry's plan against terrorism to me. I haven't heard anything yet. Tell we why Kerry would be better instead of why Bush is bad. (If you can!)
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Originally posted by Contouraholic:
Vietnam... It was a republican who ended the war (Nixon).
April Fool's day was yesterday.
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Originally posted by gwellington: Originally posted by Contouraholic:
Vietnam... It was a republican who ended the war (Nixon).
April Fool's day was yesterday.
Not joking. Do you have different information?
Since I enlisted in the Army in 1973 when Nixon ended the war and brought the troops home, I think I have my facts right. The evacuation of troops in Vietnam started in 1973, Nixon was president. So where am I wrong on this?
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