i saw and article in super street with a d16 turbo that was all pimped out that ran a high 15. yes i have seen civics run 18s and 19s almost everytime i went to bandimere speedway in colorado in H.S. so think what you wasnt. 15 sec 1/4 mile is a bit faster than you think. but yeah thanx for editing my post free of charger for all the people that couldnt understand it for me. obvioulsy i owe you a cookie. wait ill give ya two. and as for other honda info. my friend ricky with a b18c (full swap) all motor in a 93 civic wich i put most of the effort putting in the car and getting it to run whch cost him 4300 bux for the jdm front clip, still gets maybe a car or two on me and i have beat him b4. peace. hondas are great cars i love em i wouldnt minda having one since parts are so easy to get. yes tours are bulky yes theye dont have a huge market and yes NOT EVERYONE HAS ONE AND I DONT SEE TOO MANY SOCCER MOMS OR KIDS DRIVING THEIR MOMS ACCORD ON THE WEEKENDS THINKIN THEY HAVE SOMETHING SPECIAL. if i had to choose id have the tour. at least were not CIVIC NATION!