i think its pretty funny that i see hondas doing 18s and 19s in the quarter mile. when we paid less and have the same damn bolt ons as they do ie d16 single ohead cam with headers cold air 50 shot msd igintion and a whole crap load of guages on his a pillar that dont work cept his ar and nitrous guage. i know this is what ym beast friend drives. and if he was to get a b18c or maybe the b16a2 he would or might be in the high 15s seeing that i smear crap on si hondas all the time. and cept for a 50 shot id say im close to stock right now. all you honda guys put a pretty penny into those cars and without boost i really dont think very many all motor civics or wutever else there is can talk much crap to us seeing that we run 15s stock. my 2 and a half pennys and yes i have been beat by a few hondas one was all motor and it was a crx hatch with a b16 and at least 5 grand in the motor plus the 3 to buy it im sure damn he shoulda bought a tour with a supercharger. l8