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Originally posted by tiv:
Originally posted by [url=http://www.cnn.com:
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Prime Minister-elect Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said Monday he wanted the 1,300 Spanish troops in Iraq to return home by June 30 if the United Nations "doesn't take control of Iraq."
Finally! Someone has the balls to actually enforce UN participation! He is the man.
Tiv
No this just illustares that fact that Zapatero is an ass. He will do anything and say anything to get more power. Last year he tried to have two members of his own party permanently removed from the ability to serve in the government because they voted against him for speaker of congress. They did so because he sided WITH ETA and never said that he condemed their actions. So for standing up to him from within his own party, he tried to remove them from their legislative offices (after they had been elected by popular vote) and wound not give them their certificates of senators. These were theirs by right but he withheld them because of their vote.
If he cannot convince the members of his own party that he is anti terrorism and that he doesnot support ETA and that he can actually lead the country- how is he going to lead the whole country??
He will say what he has to to stay in power, he has proven this time and time again - I was in spain while the whole legislative debachal was going down and I watched a lot of it on TV and some of it in person, not only could he not deny the allegations, he couldnt even talk half the time because he sat there like a moron and woudnt even talk!
Great Guy!! Perfect to lead the country!
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Originally posted by mbSVT:
Okay, so what was so pressing about Slobodon Milosevic in Serbia? Same situation... highly cruel, mass genocide, inept politics, but no realy threat to global politics/economics, only regional problem.
My understanding is that it's a different situation. To the best of my knowledge, Slobodon wasn't pursuing a nuclear or biological program that would even further destabilize matters. Nor was he ever charged with hoarding WMD and he didn't threaten the use of of either. I have this nagging notion that the former Yugoslavia had dismantled their nuclear program sometime in the 60's or 70's... 
Have to check on that one.
Anyway, Hussein was known to have nuclear ambitions which MADE him an international concern. There still is the question of missing chem and biochem agents as well, that is unresolved to this day.
I do remember the ethnic cleaning issues that Milosevic was associated with, though I will plead ignorance on anything else past that, the reasons the US/UN/NATO went in or the politics involved. I never followed it that closely and certainly haven't read much about it.
Originally posted by mbSVT:
Were you singing the same song when Liberal GodChild Billy Clinton attacked Milosevic with our military? Doubtful.
In all honesty, I was asking "what in the hell are we doing there?" as I knew little about what was going on in the region then. I did know that the UN held some involvement and that US troops were sent as a "stabilization" force.
I didn't have a problem with our actions there, nor did I have any rabid support for them, either. As I said, I'm embarrassingly ignorant on the post-USSR struggles in SE Europe and Asia in the '90s...
Originally posted by mbSVT:
Whether Hussein had international impact as a head of state is debatable, whether or not he harbored terrorists is less debatable, but as the supreme leader of a country, he certainly had far more than the simple capacity to become a world player just in terms of providing shelter and support to terrorist organizations, let alone the impact he could have on the oil supply.
I for one think that he did need to go, although I don't appreciate Bush's stretching of the truth (if the claims are indeed legitimate)
I agree that for many in the US and the world, the jury is still out on this current adminitration. The shame of it is that those same people a decade back were screaming for the UN to setup weapons inspections over suspicions of his WMD stockpiles because of the overt FEAR that Hussein would try and use them again. Fast forward to today; the US and it's allies do something about the matter to settle the nagging question and threat once and for all, then get stabbed in the back by those same countries that UNANIMOUSLY supported the UN resolutions due to the intelligence gathered, shared and AGREED upon by all parties.
It's a sad commentary on the left-leaning media in the US and abroad that this is totally swept under the carpet and forgotten...
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Originally posted by JaTo:
The shame of it is that those same people a decade back were screaming for the UN to setup weapons inspections over suspicions of his WMD stockpiles because of the overt FEAR that Hussein would try and use them again. Fast forward to today; the US and it's allies do something about the matter to settle the nagging question and threat once and for all, then get stabbed in the back by those same countries that UNANIMOUSLY supported the UN resolutions due to the intelligence gathered, shared and AGREED upon by all parties.
It's a sad commentary on the left-leaning media in the US and abroad that this is totally swept under the carpet and forgotten...
I think it will (fairly soon) be much clearer to all why to UN (really the UN security counsel...really France, Russia, and to a lesser degree Germany) stabbed us in the back. Charges of France's corrupt oil deals, the oil for food scam and the French bank involved, the intel France gave Iraq on inspectors and secret meetings, Russian oil and weapons deals, etc. etc. Kerry and the liberal leadership...well a blade in the back (and a flip flopping vote) is the only chance at the white house. The leftist media...well, sweeping the truth under the rug is what they do best. Trouble for the left is now the conservatives have at least a chance at a media voice with Fox and Rush, both of which continue to gain popularity. Really, without this the left would win easily.
Again, the whole WMD thing is a distraction. Bush's 3 stated reasons for war were 1) WMD (intel may or may not have been wrong here...fine, investigate intell) 2) stop the murdering of millions 3) the MOST important reason: change the face of the middle east. Which means demonstrating our resolve and power to decapitate a government that has defied sanctions by the score to allow us to varify destruction of WMD they ADMITTED they had, that harbor terrorists, that finacially supported terror, that WAS BASICALLY A GIANT MIDDLE FINGER IN THE FACE OF AMERICA FOR OVER A DECADE. Then demonstrate (this time) our commitment to follow through with putting people on there feet. To undue decades of anti-US propaganda. To place in the center of the middle east a democraticish form of government. Which along with the other (Afganistan) flank Iran..the core of militant Islam. But also a country with a younger, more pro western population...that wants the Ayetolla's out. And (again) we are seeing the shock waves hitting Libya, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabi (400 AlQueda captured since 9/11, including the top regional goon that was shot yesterday!) and as far as N. Korea.
This is the Bush doctrine...lean on governments to stop or at least not facilitate terror. Requires military force. Long term commitment. And not wavering when the going gets tough.
As opposed to the socialist/liberal policy of France, the new Spain, and John F'n Kerry - "police action" (yeah...send the "cops" to Iran), plenty of waivering when things get tough, and a commitment to stay in power . Or even in case of Spain & France at least ..appeasment?
Not that the devoute liberals will be effected by this commentary...more aimed at the more open minded.
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Originally posted by mbSVT:
Okay, so what was so pressing about Slobodon Milosevic in Serbia? Same situation... highly cruel, mass genocide, inept politics, but no realy threat to global politics/economics, only regional problem.
Were you singing the same song when Liberal GodChild Billy Clinton attacked Milosevic with our military? Doubtful.
Whether Hussein had international impact as a head of state is debatable, whether or not he harbored terrorists is less debatable, but as the supreme leader of a country, he certainly had far more than the simple capacity to become a world player just in terms of providing shelter and support to terrorist organizations, let alone the impact he could have on the oil supply.
I for one think that he did need to go, although I don't appreciate Bush's stretching of the truth (if the claims are indeed legitimate)
Sorry I just couldnâ??t resistâ?¦â?¦â?¦.
Where did you hear that?
You misspelled really. "but no realy threat to global politics/economics, only regional problem".
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