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Originally posted by JaTo:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4523577/
One of the better summary articles/opinions I've read, as it brings up a number of very salient points.
Thats a very good piece.
Bless our servicemen & women overseas.
L.Cpl Ian Malone, 1st Battalion Irish Guards, R.I.P.
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Very good.
Update:
The new socialist Spanish administration has reportedly said:
1) They will have "cordial" relations with the US and excellent relations with France & Germany
2) They support John F. Kerry
3) They want to "open a dialoge" with Al Queda.
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
Very good.
Update:
The new socialist Spanish administration has reportedly said:
1) They will have "cordial" relations with the US and excellent relations with France & Germany
2) They support John F. Kerry
3) They want to "open a dialoge" with Al Queda.
If this is true, I will be supremely dissapointed, as Spain is one of my favorite countries I've visited.
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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
3) They want to "open a dialoge" with Al Queda.
This guy is a total shmuck if that is true. Why in the Hell would anyone want to give any sort of legitimacy or hold any negociations with Al-Qaeda!?
I can somewhat deal and understand the first two, but opening political dialogue with terrorists just totally caves into them.
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Originally posted by JVT:
A war that cost 120% of the U.S.'s GDP at the time, a war in which 50 million people died, including 400,000 American soldiers.
The scenarios are similar, except this time we didn't waste time bullchitting with a tyrant, we outright own3d his sorry a$$.
Iraq war info - .5% of the U.S.'s GDP, little over 500 American soldiers died.
Which one is better? I'll take the latter, thank you very much.
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I'm sorry, but if you're insinuating that Saddam Hussein was destined to be another Hitler, I have to laugh. A Hitler wannabe maybe, but never a serious threat to the US.
Quick, name Saddam Hussein's most brilliant general. Name any of his generals. What was Hussein's most brilliant political maneuver? What was his most impressive military victory?
A more apt comparison to Saddaam would be Mussolini. Except Mussolini actually had powerful allies and his forces actually won a battle or two.
As a matter of fact, under Reagan, wasn't Saddam our allie and go-to-guy in the Middle East
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I'm sorry that you feel the body count isn't high enough for Hussein's regime to make the "club". Perhaps if we gave him another 5-10 years to fully bring forth his nuclear and biological weapon ambitions then he would have met your criteria... His aggression, policies and heavy-handed tactics on those of different religious and ethnic belief say differently, though, as well as his aims and goals within the region. Uprovoked attacks on neghboring countries, chem. weapon use... Need I go on? As far as allies go, where is it written in politics that situations and sides can NEVER change? I figured that the Nazi backstab of the Russians would have been a good illustration of that. Of course, though. I forget. Whole population and troops need to be vaporized in large numbers, whole regions need to be destabilized and the WORLD needs to be under threat before anyone acts anymore. Silly me.  By the way, where was all this anti-war attitude when Clinton threw troops into the Balkans and ran into Somalia?
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Well, he rapidly overan Kuwait in 1991. High probability he could/would have overrun Saudi Arabia had we not stepped in. This would mean the the 3 largest (IIRC) oil producers in the Mid East would be his. This amount of wealth would have provided for a fairly impressive army. Next stop would likely have been Iran & probably Syria. By this time...nuclear program from both Iraq & Iran, fully financed would have been online. Next stop...Israel. Clearly, the nukes start flying at this point...when dust settles, Israel is vaporized. Nuclear dust starts to settle in middle east, and Europe. Sadam emerges from bunker, the middle east is unified under him...Europe is a bit upset about the nuclear fallout. Sadam tells them to stuff it, and......
One possible senerio..
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Just can't resist this one... http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/16/france.threats/index.htmlMilitant Islamics threaten France, who was steadfastly against any efforts in Iraq. I knew the Three Stooges would make their return one day; little did I know they would take the guise of Chirac, Schroeder and the new Spanish PM, Zapatero. Another interesting tidbit in the middle of this one: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/03/16/spain.invest/index.htmlThe interesting piece of it: CNN has also obtained an al Qaeda document that spells out the terrorist group's plan to separate Spain from the U.S.-led coalition on Iraq.
The document was published on the main message board that is used by al Qaeda and its sympathizers last December.
The strategy spelled out in the document calls for using terrorist attacks to oust Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar's Partido Popular from power and replace it with the Socialists.
That, in turn, was expected to drive a wedge between Washington and Madrid and result in the withdrawal of Spanish military forces from Iraq.
"We think the Spanish government will not stand more than two blows, or three at the most, before it will be forced to withdraw because of the public pressure on it," the al Qaeda document says.
"If its forces remain after these blows, the victory of the Socialist Party will be almost guaranteed -- and the withdrawal of Spanish forces will be on its campaign manifesto."
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Originally posted by JaTo:
I'm sorry that you feel the body count isn't high enough for Hussein's regime to make the "club". Perhaps if we gave him another 5-10 years to fully bring forth his nuclear and biological weapon ambitions then he would have met your criteria...
Hey, at that point, they'd be blaming GWB for not having done something sooner.
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Well, that's it then...no more speculation required. We now have the 2 Madrid survivers eyewitness ID of a known Al Queda supsect on the train. Combined with that shocking (but not surprising document...Al Queda clearly suceeded in:
1) Altering an election result
2) Driving a wedge between us and an ally..
The 3 stooges is right....
You that know the Spanish people...how are they going to react to the knowlege that 200 persons were murdered in cold blood so as to make them act a certain way..and they did! I cannot imagine the shame personally, but I clearly am not able to get in there heads??
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