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Anyways to end this post, the twin setup may or may not be better than a single turbo setup. you won't know until you try.( dont even bring up the M12, i know its twin'd and it uses t25's).
The M12 is twin turbo'd, but STILL doesnt put out more power than warmonger's single turbo.
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Noble M12 GTO
Engine: V6, 2544cc, dohc per bank, 24v twin Garrett T25 turbochargers
Max power: 310bhp @ 6000rpm
Max torque: 320lb ft @ 3500rpm
Transmission: Five-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Suspension: Doube wishbones with coil springs and gas dampers front and rear
Steering: Rack and pinion, power-assisted
Brakes: Ventilated discs, front and rear
Wheels: 8.5 x 18in front, 10 x 18in rear, alloy
Tyres: 225/40 ZR18 front, 265/35 ZR18 rear
Weight: 980 kg
Power-to-weight: 321bhp/ton
0-60mph: 4.1sec
0-100mph: 10.2 sec
Max speed: 165mph (claimed)
Price: £45,500
Evo Rating: 4 stars
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Originally posted by MercuryMystik99:
The M12 is twin turbo'd, but STILL doesnt put out more power than warmonger's single turbo.
Max power: 310bhp @ 6000rpm
Max torque: 320lb ft @ 3500rpm
That's quoting "crank" power numbers too. Not at the wheels.
That's nearly a 100 HP difference!
325FWHP = ~395 crank
326FWTQ = ~370 crank
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Originally posted by MercuryMystik99:
The M12 is twin turbo'd, but STILL doesnt put out more power than warmonger's single turbo.
Max power: 310bhp @ 6000rpm
Max torque: 320lb ft @ 3500rpm
That's quoting "crank" power numbers too. Not at the wheels.
That's nearly a 100 HP difference!
325FWHP = ~395 crank
326FWTQ = ~370 crank
Good call Demon. I almost forgot about that, but yeah i know that the M12 has 310 wheel HP, and thats running small seq's and the twin configuration was made way easier by the car being a mid-engine... what can u say.. all i was saying to the voices that be about twining the tour, you won't know until you try,and if nobody tries how can you say that it wont work. He may have a creative mind to pull it off, as i would if i had some extra money laying around. Innovation is a very powerful tool in vehicle performance. You start with the proven facts and work off those to create new ideas and technology. Quite honestly, I challenge anyone and everyone to build a twin'd Contour that has a desire to and has the backing. If you pull it off and there are even the slightest marginal advantages you deserve the respect of the CEG forum, and the automotive engineering industry as a whole.
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M12 is 310 crank. Not at the wheels. And go challenge yourself in a corner.
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Originally posted by svtstreetracer:
Good call Demon. I almost forgot about that, but yeah i know that the M12 has 310 wheel HP, and thats running small seq's and the twin configuration was made way easier by the car being a mid-engine... what can u say.. all i was saying to the voices that be about twining the tour, you won't know until you try,and if nobody tries how can you say that it wont work. He may have a creative mind to pull it off, as i would if i had some extra money laying around. Innovation is a very powerful tool in vehicle performance. You start with the proven facts and work off those to create new ideas and technology. Quite honestly, I challenge anyone and everyone to build a twin'd Contour that has a desire to and has the backing. If you pull it off and there are even the slightest marginal advantages you deserve the respect of the CEG forum, and the automotive engineering industry as a whole.
Like Smooth said, its 310 at the crank which means lower at the wheels.
Creativity doesn't make the structure of the contour unibody magically move out of the way to make room for a second turbo in a place where one could make a good exhaust manifold for it . . .
Either way, the size of the duratech is such that the pros and cons of a single and a twin pretty much cancel out, so either one could be made to perform equally well. Couple that with the fact that it is virtually impossible to pacakage a second turbo, let alone with a good exhaust manifold to it, and it makes a single turbo a far better choice in a contour, and really the only viable option.
If anyone does wish to make a twin turbo in a contour, I say go for it if you want to, but don't come crying to me when pretty much any single setup for it will perform better at a significanlty lower cost, and significantly less work.
There are a lot better ways to expend your creative energy . . .
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i have done twin turbos. i will post pics in a bit.
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Originally posted by svtstreetracer:
In most cases with a V configuration engine per usual is twin turbo's. Whether it be a V6, V8 or V12 or the mighty inline 6.
So an I6 is a "V configuration" engine...
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Originally posted by 95Sleeper:
Originally posted by svtstreetracer:
In most cases with a V configuration engine per usual is twin turbo's. Whether it be a V6, V8 or V12 or the mighty inline 6.
So an I6 is a "V configuration" engine...
And what exactly makes an I6 "mightier" than any other engine type? I mean, I'm aware of certain advantages to the I6 config. but none of them involve the word "mighty".
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I nominate Svtstreetracer as the Official Dunce of the week in the Forced Induction Forum.
Warmonger's single turbo setup is more powerful than the M12's twin turbo setup. After noticing that, I dont see a point in setting up twin-turbo on this car if its even possible.
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Originally posted by mikey boy:
i have done twin turbos. i will post pics in a bit.
I'm proud of you, thats sweet because you probably used some creativity on that install. If not, even better. So lay off on the negativity that goes around this website. 
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