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Originally posted by svtcarboy:
It's funny, because there are some gays that want a different name applied to the commitment as well.
I personally believe that using a different name is not merely a matter of semantics. It is still a way to marginalize homosexuals. It makes it sound like the relationship and the commitment are different. Different names mean different treatment.
As for those who are saying it is choice, and social and...
I grew up in a small town in Northern Wisconsin. Very redneck. I was not surrounded by gay role models. In fact, a guy in my sister's class was run out of the school when he was found out. Yet, deep in my subconscious, I was sexually attracted towards the football team and not the cheerleaders. I fought and tried to deny this for years, until I finally outgrew my Cleopatra stage and realized who I really was.
I will reiterate what I said earlier... the idea of having sex with a woman is just as distastul and unappealing to me as having sex with a man is to you.
Oh, and by the way, all I have in my closet is my clothes.
That is interesting. People are born with mental illness, downs syndrome, muscular dystrophy, and all kinds of things so I believe a person could be born gay. There might be a gene that is different in Gay people that causes them to be gay. Gay people are more openly accepted in Europe. I've read about Hitler and the holocaust and that is what our government reminds me of when they discriminate against and openly condemn gay people. Itâ??s not anything new; condemning gay people has been going on for decades.
Because I am not gay, I don't understand being gay. I am attracted to women but not as strongly as everyone. In Italy I once had a nice looking girl start a conversation with me so I invited her to come see a movie with me. Everything was surrounded by beach and scenic towns. She told me that I could meet her at a hotel if I didn't mind standing in line. It's hard to believe what some people call "a good sex life". She was serious. She even gave me the name of the hotel and the time to be there.
I think sex is supposed to be something private & Special between two people and not something shared with everyone.
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Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
I have seen Jesus in action in my life
Yep, his hat-trick the other night was amazing. I thought for sure he would've been stopped in that penalty shot. That Jesus is one hell of an athlete. I LOVE seeing him in action. 
Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
Originally posted by Beowulf:
There is no god. There is no Satan. As many people there are that believe in your god, there have been many more times that number that live and die and are happy and complete without him.
Any evidence of that? Probably not, because you don't know everything. Satan perverts everything made holy by God, including marriage, hence this whole conversation. Is it only coincidence or in keeping with what is normal that marriage has for all of history, been between man and woman? Any possible reason that homosexuality sneaks up on a country? Because Satan is like a lion, prowling and waiting for its prey. He takes piece by piece if he has to, and slowly will destroy the nation.
Where's your "proof" of God, Jesus, Satan, or anything else in the Bible for that matter, outside of geography? YOU, my friend, don't know everything either.
Homosexuality sneaks up on a country? What, are all the gays going to suddenly guerrilla-redecorating large cities now, in hopes of destroying a country's economy!?!?!? GASP! The horror you must feel! Just be sure you're not wearing stripes and patterns at the same time. The Homo-Jihadists will SURELY do what they can to strike you down!
Marriage, for all time, was between man and woman? Up until a few hundred years ago, Earth was the center of the universe, it was still flat, and the common cold was just as deadly as cancer. Guess what, they were proven wrong, too. Just as you could be. Am I saying you're wrong? No, but, you COULD be. Stop condemning a group of people because you don't understand them. Jesus himself NEVER said whether or not it was wrong to be gay. He told EVERYONE to love their fellow man. Tolerance is the key. So what if you don't disagree with or understand them. Let them live their lives. How is YOUR marriage going to suddenly mean less? Are you suddenly going to love your wife less or decide not to have children because your gay neighbor got married? Are you afraid that someday you're going to have to explain to your children that there are gay people in the world simply because they're getting married? Are you THAT blind or ignorant? It would seem so.
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Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
You want to know why they are discriminated against? For the same reason adulterers were 50 years ago, for the same reason porn was 50 years ago, for the same reason divorce was looked down upon 50 years ago, because people know it is wrong, but most, like most here, are afraid to stand up and say "THAT'S WRONG!" It's not about rights, it's about decency, and the future of our country.
The greatest indecencies that have ever occurred by the hands of men have been done in the name of one god or another. The Crusades. Islamic Jihads. Divine right of Kings. the human race is outgrowing the need for religion and the emotional baggage that goes along with it.
Wanna know something? Nobody is perfect and unfortunatly we are all human.
Exactly, so let them live their lives, and stay out of them. Quit discriminating and be the way JESUS wanted you to be- tolerant!
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Can you empirically prove it? No. Until God him/herself walks up to me and says "Hey, dude, I'm God," I'll live my life correctly- treating others fairly and justly... and I'll continue to do it until the day I die, because it's just the RIGHT THING TO DO.
Its amazing how hypocritical you Bible-thumpers can be. You claim to be so much better than everyone else because you have God on your side, yet you completely disregard the REAL importance in the Bible.
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Some advice:
Know and love the verses in red before condemning others with the verses in black...
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Originally posted by bishop375:
Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
I have seen Jesus in action in my life
Yep, his hat-trick the other night was amazing. I thought for sure he would've been stopped in that penalty shot. That Jesus is one hell of an athlete. I LOVE seeing him in action.
I saw that same game... 
Jesus, isn't this a little mean?? Give them a chance...
Jesus runs the option:
Proof that people really DO play soccer: 
I think Jesus might be the next Bo Jackson...
And before the chants of "SACRILEGE!!!" start, I'm a baptized and confirmed Catholic. A quick trip to confession and I'll be back on the bus to Heaven.  
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JaTo:
You are one of the most intelligent people on this board, and I respect and agree with you on a lot of the things you say on this board. But, 99SESPORT didn't condemn anyone. He was condemning the act of homosexuality. There is a BIG difference.
99SESPORT:
I am sure you are realizing that religious debates are almost impossible to "win". That is why this has gone on for 6 pages (and counting).
Beowolf:
There is no "proof" if God exists, and there is no "proof" that He doesn't. It all boils down to what method of creation you want to put your faith in. To me, my proof of God is the universe and its unbelievable complexity. There is no way it happened by chance. My guess (please correct me if I am wrong) is that your "proof" is that life started when rain fell on a rock for millions of years, or that the universe happened when a point of mass (all the matter of the universe was concentrated in a point smaller than a period) exploded. (Oh, BTW, where did that point come from?)
We all have faith in something. My religion is Christianity, your religion is Evolution. (Yes, Evolution is a religion.)
Evolution says that we are just animals. There is no higher being to answer to. There is nothing after we die. So why not do what we want, when we want it? Whatever makes me happy is OK, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. There begins the "slippery slope."
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I must respectfully disagree, as I've seen claims in a multitude of threads that homosexuality is responsible for falls of certain civilizations (historically and facutally innacurate) to it being compared with just about every malfeasance under the sun. I just don't see sexuality at a base level as a moral issue. The abuse of one's sexuality? Absolutely, since heterosexuals can be placed in the same boat as homosexuals there.
If only the sins of drunkeness, pride or laziness got as MUCH attention on the pulpit!!! These are far more dangerous and prevalent issues than homosexuality...
Condemning the act or lifestyle is no different than passing judgement on the person, IMHO; if you believe the act or lifestyle itself damns a person to eternal suffering or it holds a discriminatory status in society, the end result is the same. Call it passive condemnation, but it's condemnation nonetheless.
50+ years ago Hitler got away with a lot in condemning a certain charateristic/aspect of a group of people, and not the actual people themselves...
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Originally posted by 00SVT:
Originally posted by bishop375:
Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
I have seen Jesus in action in my life
Yep, his hat-trick the other night was amazing. I thought for sure he would've been stopped in that penalty shot. That Jesus is one hell of an athlete. I LOVE seeing him in action.
I saw that same game...
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Originally posted by JaTo:
I must respectfully disagree, as I've seen claims in a multitude of threads that homosexuality is responsible for falls of certain civilizations (historically and facutally innacurate) to it being compared with just about every malfeasance under the sun. I just don't see sexuality at a base level as a moral issue. The abuse of one's sexuality? Absolutely, since heterosexuals can be placed in the same boat as homosexuals there.
Actually, I've never stated that it was soley responsible for anything, like I've said in this LONG thread that it is actually just a part of the machine that leads to the downfall of a country.
And the abuse of ones sexuality didn't start recently. It's been abused since who knows when. It becomes a lot easier to abuse when birth control becomes huge. Interesting huh?
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If only the sins of drunkeness, pride or laziness got as MUCH attention on the pulpit!!! These are far more dangerous and prevalent issues than homosexuality...
Wanna know something, I think they are. The only thing is though, is that homosexuality is something that "seems" a lot more dangerous, but they are all sins, regardless of anything said or not said in the pulpit. And does anybody say that those in the pulpit are perfect? Not me, they have their faults just like everybody else.
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Condemning the act or lifestyle is no different than passing judgement on the person, IMHO; if you believe the act or lifestyle itself damns a person to eternal suffering or it holds a discriminatory status in society, the end result is the same. Call it passive condemnation, but it's condemnation nonetheless.
Well, I know you are wrong. I suppose by saying this you are saying that you don't judge anybody on any of their actions. So again I ask, do you not judge the murderer for their actions? How about the pedophile? Or the lazy person, or the prideful person? You do, and most of us go beyond that point and judge the persons heart, where that is God's job.
You could view it like when you are watching a child. We are to watch over them and let them know when they are doing something wrong so they can correct it and not repeat the action. Maybe I'm wrong, but under your assumptions above, I should never a tell a child that he is wrong in his actions, and just let him do what he wants. Well, chaos is not where I want my country, so I won't let that happen.
The same thing applies to us, if we see our fellow humans stumbling, we are to help them, correct their wrong actions. Their actions are the things we look at, not the heart. Judgment comes from God, and God alone.
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50+ years ago Hitler got away with a lot in condemning a certain charateristic/aspect of a group of people, and not the actual people themselves...
My goodness, you can compare me to Hitler, a murderer, but I can't compare the sin of homosexuality to the sin of murder? Interesting huh?
And no, I'm not at all like Hitler. I'm not raising an army to destroy the homosexuals in this country, rather I am trying to keep marraige as God intended, between male and female. What they do behind the walls is their own issue and will be judged by only God in heaven.
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Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
What they do behind the walls is their own issue and will be judged by only God in heaven.
Then why not let them get married in a non-religious ceremony and leave them to their own devices, instead of hurting them by denying them the pride of being married and the financial/emotional/medical benefits therein?
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