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Originally posted by svtcarboy:
It's funny, because there are some gays that want a different name applied to the commitment as well.
I personally believe that using a different name is not merely a matter of semantics. It is still a way to marginalize homosexuals. It makes it sound like the relationship and the commitment are different. Different names mean different treatment.
As for those who are saying it is choice, and social and...
I grew up in a small town in Northern Wisconsin. Very redneck. I was not surrounded by gay role models. In fact, a guy in my sister's class was run out of the school when he was found out. Yet, deep in my subconscious, I was sexually attracted towards the football team and not the cheerleaders. I fought and tried to deny this for years, until I finally outgrew my Cleopatra stage and realized who I really was.
I will reiterate what I said earlier... the idea of having sex with a woman is just as distastul and unappealing to me as having sex with a man is to you.
Oh, and by the way, all I have in my closet is my clothes.
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Growing up using "gay" as an insult word and being told over and over again that being gay was wrong as well as wonderful things such as premarital sex, it took me years to cast off the way I was taught by small minded society to think about homosexuals.
But get over it I did, and I am happier not casting judgements on others.
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Originally posted by Beowulf:
Once again for everyone saying gay marriage is wrong. let me say this ONE MORE TIME.
This isn't about religion. This isnt abotu what you or I believe is right or wrong in a sexual relationship. This is about basic human rights to persue happiness. Currently law does not allow homosexuals to pledge their undying devotion in a legally recogonized marriage.
They deserve that right. Let's give them what they deserve.
Not one person that has posted to this thread in objection to gay marriage has addressed this concept. They have pled morality, genetics, plain old disgust or wacko 3rd grade "GAYS ARE ICKYPOO". No one has addressed the core issue -
WHY ARE HOMOSEXUAL's BEING DECRIMINATED AGAINST IN THE 21st CENTURY?
I really don't give a [censored] about what happened 5 years ago or 5000 years ago other than the fact that 200 years ago some guys said "hey, we have rights dammit and we are not going to let some king rule over us"
let's perfect their vision in ways they couldnt even begin to forsee.
Slippery slope here we come. It started with attitudes like yours,
who gives a flip about the past? It means nothing. Who gives a flip about morals? They mean nothing. Who gives a flip about God? Who gives a flip about anything important? I should have my rights, and you should have yours, don't trample on me, I won't trample on you.
GAYS are being, I hate this word being used here, but Gays are being "discriminated" against becuase they are living in SIN and so obvious a sin.
You can't take the religion, or the faith out, it's part of what made this country. Why are they being discriminated against? Because a female wasn't designed to love a female in a sexual union, nor a male love a male. It's pretty obvious to anyone that doesn't have their own head stuck up their own, well, you know.
The point being? If you want to take God completely out, and use the term NATURE, NATURE has not found it possible for a male to mate with a male nor female with female? WHY? BECUASE GOD CREATED NATURE AND GOD CREATED MALE AND FEMALE and in His eyes, it was good. Satan twisted it, and Satan brought it to the point we are at now.
You want to know why they are discriminated against? For the same reason adulterers were 50 years ago, for the same reason porn was 50 years ago, for the same reason divorce was looked down upon 50 years ago, because people know it is wrong, but most, like most here, are afraid to stand up and say "THAT'S WRONG!" It's not about rights, it's about decency, and the future of our country.
When we start losing our ability to say "that's wrong" we start losing our country. Homosexual marriage is a small bolt in the whole piece of machinery that destroys a country. We have larger problems, but each has been lost. The family is no more important now than what you are going to eat in that day. America is so caught up in itself that we don't realize how much we are destroying ourselves everyday. I can't drive down the freeway without being bombarded by sexual messages, messages of buy now pay later, messages that beer is the way to a happy life, messages that degrade females and males at the same time. You think this is just about homosexual marriage? It's not, it's about our country and about the loss of something that was once held dear, that is our morals.
I can't believe that you who support this support it because "homosexuals should have the right to be happy." They should, but it should not come from some sinful behavior that could ultimately end up destroying their lives.
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Bigot.
What a small sad world you must live in.
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Originally posted by Beowulf:
Bigot.
What a small sad world you must live in.
Why? Because I base my views on a truth that seems to have been lost on our generation? Because I believe that Jesus Christ died for my sins and for everyone here? Or maybe it's because I believe that sin exists, and that not everyone gets everything they want all the time?
Eh, who knows. All I do know is that my world is quite large, quite expansive, and quite open. Unfortunately, I have to share that world with sin, including my own. It saddens me to have you even think that my world is small.
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Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
GAYS are being, I hate this word being used here, but Gays are being discriminated against becuase they are living in SIN and so obvious a sin.
A sin in your little world. not to people who can make their own decisions.
Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
You can't take the religion, or the faith out, it's part of what made this country. Why are they being discriminated against? Because a female wasn't designed to love a female in a sexual union, nor a male love a male. It's pretty obvious to anyone that doesn't have their own head stuck up their own, well, you know.
Faith? Do you really know what faith is? Faith is the blind adherence to a belief because you do not have the strength to face the world on it's own term. Religion is a crutch, an escape and a rut where it is easier to let someone else, be it a priest, rabbi or Pope make your decisions for you. What this country is built upon was the idea that ordinary men were fit and capable of governing themselves by rule of law, not the whim of a so-called Divine Monarch.
Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
The point being? If you want to take God completely out, and use the term NATURE, NATURE has not found it possible for a male to mate with a male nor female with female? WHY? BECUASE GOD CREATED NATURE AND GOD CREATED MALE AND FEMALE and in His eyes, it was good. Satan twisted it, and Satan brought it to the point we are at now.
There is no god. There is no Satan. As many people there are that believe in your god, there have been many more times that number that live and die and are happy and complete without him.
Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
You want to know why they are discriminated against? For the same reason adulterers were 50 years ago, for the same reason porn was 50 years ago, for the same reason divorce was looked down upon 50 years ago, because people know it is wrong, but most, like most here, are afraid to stand up and say "THAT'S WRONG!" It's not about rights, it's about decency, and the future of our country.
The greatest indecencies that have ever occurred by the hands of men have been done in the name of one god or another. The Crusades. Islamic Jihads. Divine right of Kings. the human race is outgrowing the need for religion and the emotional baggage that goes along with it.
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Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
Originally posted by Beowulf:
Bigot.
What a small sad world you must live in.
Why? Because I base my views on a truth that seems to have been lost on our generation? Because I believe that Jesus Christ died for my sins and for everyone here? Or maybe it's because I believe that sin exists, and that not everyone gets everything they want all the time?
Eh, who knows. All I do know is that my world is quite large, quite expansive, and quite open. Unfortunately, I have to share that world with sin, including my own. It saddens me to have you even think that my world is small.
Isn't it a sin to judge others?
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Originally posted by Beowulf:
Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
GAYS are being, I hate this word being used here, but Gays are being discriminated against becuase they are living in SIN and so obvious a sin.
A sin in your little world. not to people who can make their own decisions.
Okay, so I suppose in the murders mind, his "sin" is not sin. He thinks its right, must be. The abortionists mind? Same thing. How about the crack head who steals just to get his next fix, he needs it. Must be okay. Or, how about the young boy and the adult who want to marry, sure, is that okay outside of my little world? No, nor is homosexual marraige. It is rather a slap in the face of marraige, a joke, simply put.
Originally posted by Beowulf:
Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
You can't take the religion, or the faith out, it's part of what made this country. Why are they being discriminated against? Because a female wasn't designed to love a female in a sexual union, nor a male love a male. It's pretty obvious to anyone that doesn't have their own head stuck up their own, well, you know.
Faith? Do you really know what faith is? Faith is the blind adherence to a belief because you do not have the strength to face the world on it's own term. Religion is a crutch, an escape and a rut where it is easier to let someone else, be it a priest, rabbi or Pope make your decisions for you. What this country is built upon was the idea that ordinary men were fit and capable of governing themselves by rule of law, not the whim of a so-called Divine Monarch.
A crutch? Why, because I am limping? Do I sound like I am lame? No, in fact, I don't go off what the POPE tells me, or a priest, or even my pastor. I have seen Jesus in action in my life and in those lives around me. The pastor and church mean nothing if it's just a crutch. The pastor, the pope, the priest, they are all sinful men. That's all. My king and ultimate judge resides in Heaven.
Originally posted by Beowulf:
Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
The point being? If you want to take God completely out, and use the term NATURE, NATURE has not found it possible for a male to mate with a male nor female with female? WHY? BECUASE GOD CREATED NATURE AND GOD CREATED MALE AND FEMALE and in His eyes, it was good. Satan twisted it, and Satan brought it to the point we are at now.
There is no god. There is no Satan. As many people there are that believe in your god, there have been many more times that number that live and die and are happy and complete without him.
Any evidence of that? Probably not, because you don't know everything. Satan perverts everything made holy by God, including marriage, hence this whole conversation. Is it only coincidence or in keeping with what is normal that marriage has for all of history, been between man and woman? Any possible reason that homosexuality sneaks up on a country? Because Satan is like a lion, prowling and waiting for its prey. He takes piece by piece if he has to, and slowly will destroy the nation.
Originally posted by Beowulf:
Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
You want to know why they are discriminated against? For the same reason adulterers were 50 years ago, for the same reason porn was 50 years ago, for the same reason divorce was looked down upon 50 years ago, because people know it is wrong, but most, like most here, are afraid to stand up and say "THAT'S WRONG!" It's not about rights, it's about decency, and the future of our country.
The greatest indecencies that have ever occurred by the hands of men have been done in the name of one god or another. The Crusades. Islamic Jihads. Divine right of Kings. the human race is outgrowing the need for religion and the emotional baggage that goes along with it.
Wanna know something? Nobody is perfect and unfortunatly we are all human.
If we have so outgrown religion, then why does it play such a large part in our world today?
You see, we will never grow out of religion, or grow up from it, because it is all a part of us. God created us with a longing to be with him, to spend time with him, and only through his son Jesus Christ will we ever be completely fulfilled. I hope your life is exactly what you want. Exactly what you want, because if not, then you are still missing something. The only thing I am missing in life is my prayer time, and my personal time with God. God has revealed himself to me, not through the church, but rather through His word, His church (the people), and things that I can only call pure miracle.
God is real, and Satan is real. Satan has you so blinded you can't see that anymore.
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Originally posted by Beowulf:
Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
Originally posted by Beowulf:
Bigot.
What a small sad world you must live in.
Why? Because I base my views on a truth that seems to have been lost on our generation? Because I believe that Jesus Christ died for my sins and for everyone here? Or maybe it's because I believe that sin exists, and that not everyone gets everything they want all the time?
Eh, who knows. All I do know is that my world is quite large, quite expansive, and quite open. Unfortunately, I have to share that world with sin, including my own. It saddens me to have you even think that my world is small.
Isn't it a sin to judge others?
It's a sin to determine who goes to hell and who doesn't. It is never a sin to know what is right and wrong and to take a stand for what is right and wrong.
Life doesn't revolve around me, nor anybody else for that matter. Life goes on regardless of what I do, or where I am. I don't have the ability or the right to judge somebodys heart, but actions and what I can see are for me to take stand against. Do not judge, lest you be judged? Yeah, that's in the Bible, and it means that I am not to judge somebody's heart, but rather love them through Christ, regardless of what they are doing. Does this mean I have to place my convictions to the side? no, it just means that I must love them for who they are, not for who I think they should be. I don't know their hearts, that's up to God.
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Originally posted by daenku32:
What is Right is treating people equal. Homosexuals are not criminals. No matter WHAT your Bible might say.
Excellent point. People who live their lives guided by a BOOK scare me; they truly scare me.
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Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
................ Okay, so I suppose in the murders mind, his "sin" is not sin. He thinks its right, must be. The abortionists mind? Same thing. How about the crack head who steals just to get his next fix, he needs it. Must be okay. Or, how about the young boy and the adult who want to marry, sure, is that okay outside of my little world? No, nor is homosexual marraige. It is rather a slap in the face of marraige, a joke, simply put.............
Thats quite possibly the most twisted thing I have ever read on this forum. How on Earth can you, in all honesty, compare a murderer to a gay person ?? 
You have issues dude and they're serious. 
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