Contour Enthusiasts Group Archives Forums Modifications Audio Eclipse Titaniums or RF HX2's?

Ok so now I know that the Eclipse Titaniums are far superior to the polk/momo's, but which are better here? The best eclipse subs, the Eclipse Titanium's, or Rockford Fosgate's best subs, the Power HX2's? Supposedly the Power Hx2's handle 2000 peek watts while the titaniums handle 1500. I asked a guy at a local audio place (Audio Express) and he said the HX2's were better and that they were the best subs they carry (think he used the word "mean" to describe them). So which are better, RF's HX2's or Eclipse Titaniums? Thanks.

Both of these speakers are good, but what are you looking for? I've heard the rockfords, and they go loud, but not really low. The eclipse titaniums go really deep. I'm not sure which produces more SPL though. Are you into SPL, or sound quality?

I have to give my usual Lambda Accoustics PB15 speech again...

Get one from www.stryke.com and prepare yourself for the clearest most faithful sound reproduction you will ever hear from a subwoofer. It is like having sex only without all the awkward positions that put strain on your back causing you to drop the girl making her hit her head on the coffee table and then you have to go to the hospital. Then what are you going to say to the doctor? "Uh... yeah... uh... I was like... uh... well I was banging her and she fell off and hit the table..." Yeah, that wouldn't be embarassing at all! No siree bob. So remember, if you are going to carry your lady around when you are "having a good time" it is a good idea to keep a tight grip on her because as the old saying goes:

Don't whiz on the electric fence!

Goodnight New Orleans! I'll always love you! The End.

I'm going for stuff that will hit with good sound quality, and speed (I listen to lots of fast techno & trance). For this reason I was planning on purchasing subwoofers in a 10" size. Yet a friend recently told me I should consider 8's instead. What's the word?

I have a 10" Lambda Acoustics, the PB-10 and it will do everything you ask of it...I am getting tons better performance from it than both 10" JLaudio's i had previously...

dude i listen to trance all the time i have 2 eclipse alum. 10s running 1 ohm on a xtant 1001dx1 and i love it, stay away from the 12s the 10s are more accurate at low freguency i had 4 12' hx2's in my tour for one month running .5 ohms ad they did not stand up to the abuse, by the way ihave had the alum. cones for over 3 years and can mnot blow them up so they are back in the tour now good luck man :p

Since your going more for sound quality, i'd rather go with the eclipse aluminum, rather than the titanium. It sound incredibly clean for being made of aluminum. The titanium on the other hand is kind of heavy, and there will be traces of overhang here and there. So honestly, save a few bucks and go with the eclipse aluminum. They do produce some pretty good SPL too. Everyone is saying that Lambda is good. I haven't heard it personally, but from everyone's own ratings, i'd say it's a bang for the buck. JL's are great, but only if your are going for W3models and up. Or better yet, go for a JL13w7. They sound incredibly clean, and go extremely loud. Somewhere on the web, i read about a single 12 hitting 140.1db in a sealed box. It also sounds a lot better than w6 models. Or be like someone i seen who shattered the rear with 2 13w7s on their mercedes. So yeah, i'd consider those subs

Younggun,

There is no such thing as fast or slow bass, all subwoofers will play the frequency sent to them by the amplifier. FYI an 15 inch subwoofer will play just as "fast" as a 8" or a 10". No matter what sub you are listening to, 100Hz is 100Hz, no matter which sub it is coming from. What you may be interpreting as slow bass is the lower frequencies the 15 would be able to play.

If you are going for SQ get a Lambda PB. If you have the space for it get a PB15, it is a very nice piece af equipment. It needs 3 a cubic foot sealed box though.

Trust me the PB15 can play any kind of music with so little distortion it sometimes actually seems quieter because of the low distortion level (no sub has 0 distortion btw) The PB15 is just as accurate as the PB10 and can reach lower frequencies and get higher SPL because of the much larger cone area. Like I said the only downside is that it needs 3 cubic feet. If you need the trunkspace, the PB10 like whiteSE's is also a great subwoofer, and also requires much less space.

http://www.stryke.com/SAL-PB15.html

http://lambdacoustics.com/

The sub is listed at $199 US on thier site. You can call that best bang for the buck, but the truth is there is nothing comparable to this subwoofer for any price (within reason and yes I am aware some subs can reach higher SPL). The reason they are so "cheap" is that they are not a car audio company. Alot of what you pay for with CA is a logo, or basically what's written on the cone. The tech in this sub is amazing. You will not ever find a better subwoofer for your car at that price, or even for hundreds more. I am not here to push a brand here, if I were I would tell you to go get an Alpine sub (I'm an Alpine whore) This subwoofer is a product I truly believe to be the all around best subwoofer you can get and I think it would be a shame if you have the money and pass it up. Some may look at the plain black cone and think big deal but are these things made to look at, or to listen to?





This picture is just to give you an idea how much space the 3 cubic foot box takes up, I can still fit suitcases, coffee tables, bodies, and even lime and a shovel. Just so you know that's not how the car always looks, I had to throw it in there real quick for another topic for this same reason.

And the PB doesn't need alot of power to sound good, I ran it with my Phoenix Gold QX2180 (180 Watts MAX) and it hummed like a dream, usually I run it off an Alpine MRV-T757 (750W MAX and Alpine is the king) And I can make my back seat cushion move in and out with the bass. Most the time I tame it down though since I am an SQ guy.

If you've read this far without dozing off, good for you. It's like I said, I am only here to give people advice. It is up to you to take it or leave it. Hopefully Dave will be here today to either agree with me or try to be funny and say you should get a Pyramid sub...

Ok, so if money was not an issue, then this Lambda PB is still better than RF Power HX2's and Eclipse Aluminum/Titaniums? I don't want to blow the subs either, I mean I'm practically looking for the best sub out there. The reason why I thought larger subs sacrifice sound quality was for a couple reasons, one was that in crutchfield magazine they said the MTX RFL152 was not for "lovers of tight, detailed bass. It's built for noise, pure and simple..." And that's a 15" sub. The other reason is because I've heard 8's, 10's, and 12's and it seemed like the 8's hit the fastest but not loud, the 12's hit a little bit slow and seemed like it couldnt' quite keep up with some songs but it was the loudest, then the 10's seemed to be the perfect combination of being able to keep up with the music and being loud (hence the reason I had chosen a 10" size for my subs). Yet if what you say is true, and I will by no means doubt it since I don't know that much about subwoofers, only what I have heard so far, then I will consider the 15" Lambda PB. But the main question I have is, is it really better than the RF Power HX2's and the Eclipse Aluminum/Titanium's (if money doesn't matter)?
Thanks for all the info.

Young Gun,
I honestly can't say as I haven't heard those subs. Also I do not know how to compare subs based on specs alone well enough to be able to give you a solid opinion. Wait for Dnewma04 (That is Dave) to post on this topic before you decide. What I can tell you is that it does sound better than anything else I've heard.
The PB is a very efficient subwoofer, the cone on it will move just as quickly on a 15" as on the 10" I suppose a 15 with a thicker surround and a heavy cone would have trouble with higher frequencies(heavier reciprocating mass) but the PB15 does not have that problem. Like I said, a 20Hz tone will sound slow because it is slower than 30Hz. The difference is that the 20Hz tone isn't played with the 10" or 12" because it can't, and since that tone is missing and all you hear is the higher tone, it seems "faster" Rest assured the PB15 will hapilly play anything from below 20Hz up into the hundreds (Max Xover is recomended at 500Hz)
The biggest problem with the PB15 is that you cannot hear it before you buy it, which is probably why so far only three of us have them on here despite thier high praises and great specs.
If you are worried about overheating the sub, I can't see it happening unless you go insane. If you look at the picture, the thing has 10 vents under the voice coil and the motor used in the PB uses a copper faraday which absorbs heat from the voice coil. It is a very sturdy peice of equipment. I will never get rid of it.
As I said, you obviously seem to want only the best, so be patient and wait for Dave's response. He knows more about this crap than anybody else you will ever talk to. He reads up on this for fun. He originally recommended the 15 to me over two 12s. I thought he was insane at first but after he explained it all to me I went ahead and ordered it. No regrets!