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Ok people, please, before you slam the movie, GO SEE IT FIRST. That's all I ask.
I saw the movie yesterday. It was awesome. Awesome because it showed the true torture that Jesus endured for all of us. It was, however, EXTREMELY hard to watch. The Romans beat on him for 30 minutes, using cat-of-nine tails (sp?), among other things. The movie showed the whips ripping his flesh from his body. Very sobering. The rest of the movie was just as difficult to watch.
Both my wife and I grew up as Christians, and we were specifically watching for inaccuracies. The only thing we didn't remember being in the Bible was the crow pecking at one of the thieves' head after he mocked Christ.
I think Gibson did a good job of portraying Pilot. He definitely didn't come across as a tool of the Jewish leaders. He announced at least twice that Jesus did nothing wrong, then literally washed his hands of responsibilty for this death. Gibson also showed the brutality of the Romans.
Gibson also did a very good job weaving Satan into the movie. Satan was present in several scenes, which added a lot to the impact of the scenes.
Please see it and make up your own minds.
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Originally posted by spgoode:
This is what some of the jewish uproar is about. The movie seems to absolve the Romans and put the blame squarely on the jews. When jesus is on the cross a jew in the crowd says "let his blood be on us and on our children" or something to that effect. Gibson, removed the subtitle for this line but it is still stated in Aramic.
Well, in the Passion plays I remember in the missals growing up Catholic, that is EXACTLY what happened. Pilate washes his hands of the situation, and the Jewish crowd (maybe mob mentality) is willing/eager to pick up the responsibility on his behalf.
Maybe it does not stand to proper History, but it is how the Passion stands in the memories and minds of many conservative Catholics. It IS the course of events which Mel Gibson likely grew up with as his understanding.
If not so graphically, the miniseries/TV Movie "Jesus of Nazareth" that I remember watching every year as a child does the same thing, and yet I never heard of uproar.
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Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by Contouraholic:
Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by beyondloadedSE:
Its just so hard to believe one man did this all for you
So hard to believe that I don't. Seriously though, I'm not a christian or jewish so I can look at the issue without prejudice.
From what I've heard the jews are portrayed as conniving, with hook noses and bad teeth, whereas the desciples, who are also jews, are not.
Also, much of the scenes are not supported by scruptures, but by the visions of two nuns back in the 19th century.
And lastly, in the movie Pilot is coerced by the jewish leadership into crucifying christ against his better judgement. Apparently, no theologians, biblical scholars, or the Pope believe this to be true.
It seems that Mel Gibson has let the ravings of his lunatic father distort his portrayal of the last 12 hours of the life of christ.
You don't believe it and then you say it isn't factual. Why would that matter if you don't believe it?
I don't believe Mel Gibson's interpretation
Simce you said you are neither Christian or Jewish. You don't believe any Judeo-Christian interpretation if this is true. So now you have one more interpretation to disbelieve. 
Since Christ was Jewish, most of his disciples are Jewish, most people in the movie are Jewish, it is plausable that some of those are conniving, as are some Christians, as are some of any faith. The connivers are not merely "Jews" but the leadership Politicians. Politicians, by definition, are connivers (IMHO). So representing some of the inhabitants as connivers is not reflective of a race or religion, simply a fact of political leadership. 
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Originally posted by svtcarboy:
If not so graphically, the miniseries/TV Movie "Jesus of Nazareth" that I remember watching every year as a child does the same thing, and yet I never heard of uproar.
There has been uproar about nearly every Jesus film in the way they portray jews.
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As a Christian, who accepted Christ as my savior around 5yrs ago. It brings what happend into a whole new light, not to say Mel didn't take some artistic merit to it. So all I can really say is if your a believer it will bring a whole new perspective.
Brought a whole new meaning to the song "Here I am To Worship" In a specific line:
"I'll never know how much it cost, to see my sin upon that cross"
One last note, I will warn that the movie is very graphic. I would like to say if any of you have a problem with blood, this may not be the best choice for you. For the reason that it will be hard to get anything out of it if you are disturbed.
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Originally posted by Contouraholic:
Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by Contouraholic:
Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by beyondloadedSE:
Its just so hard to believe one man did this all for you
So hard to believe that I don't. Seriously though, I'm not a christian or jewish so I can look at the issue without prejudice.
From what I've heard the jews are portrayed as conniving, with hook noses and bad teeth, whereas the desciples, who are also jews, are not.
Also, much of the scenes are not supported by scruptures, but by the visions of two nuns back in the 19th century.
And lastly, in the movie Pilot is coerced by the jewish leadership into crucifying christ against his better judgement. Apparently, no theologians, biblical scholars, or the Pope believe this to be true.
It seems that Mel Gibson has let the ravings of his lunatic father distort his portrayal of the last 12 hours of the life of christ.
You don't believe it and then you say it isn't factual. Why would that matter if you don't believe it?
I don't believe Mel Gibson's interpretation
Simce you said you are neither Christian or Jewish. You don't believe any Judeo-Christian interpretation if this is true. So now you have one more interpretation to disbelieve.
Since Christ was Jewish, most of his disciples are Jewish, most people in the movie are Jewish, it is plausable that some of those are conniving, as are some Christians, as are some of any faith. The connivers are not merely "Jews" but the leadership Politicians. Politicians, by definition, are connivers (IMHO). So representing some of the inhabitants as connivers is not reflective of a race or religion, simply a fact of political leadership.
I saw a still from the movie which showed the jewish leader with his mouth open, yelling. His teeth were brown and cruddy. Again, I have not seen the movie, but I think from this and other things I have heard is that the jews are portrayed as skummy people as well as evil. If I was jewish I would probably be upset about it.
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I've not seen the movie myself yet, but very much want to. There are, however, many things I feel compelled to comment on in this thread: Originally posted by cliffjohnson:
anyone else watch the Jesus movie yesterday? i saw it and it really did what mel gibson wanted it to do and that's get across the amount of suffering He went through.
I doubt if that's really possible. I was recently thinking about this. The amount of suffering that Jesus had to experience. Think about it. Think of all the evil that you, personally, have done in your lifetime, and will yet do before your life is over. Think of all the evil that has been done to you, and will yet be done to you. Multiply that by all the billions of people who have lived, and will yet live. That's the price that Jesus had to pay. Is there anyone among us who has the capacity to comprehend the amount of evil and sin for which Jesus had to pay the price, or the amount of suffering that it would take to pay this price? I very much doubt it.
Originally posted by Beowolf:
Some people are so eager to cry anti-semitism that they would call a goyim eating a bagel in public a Nazi.
It is a simple, unalterable fact that the Jews of Jesus' time ?? at least the leaders thereof ?? were the villains in this story. It is they who plotted against Jesus, who manipulated the law in order to bring false charges against him, and who conspired to have him tortured and murdered.
If it is anti-semitic to depict this simple truth, then there is no way to tell this story without being anti-semitic. Without having seen the movie, I would say that if the movie is anti-semitic, then the Bible itself is anti-semitic.
Originally posted by spgoode:
And lastly, in the movie Pilot (sic) is coerced by the jewish leadership into crucifying christ against his better judgement. Apparently, no theologians, biblical scholars, or the Pope believe this to be true.
It's right there in Matthew 27:15??24 What ??theologians, biblical scholars, or Pope? are there that you claim do not believe this?
Originally posted by spgoode:
When jesus is on the cross a jew in the crowd says "let his blood be on us and on our children" or something to that effect.
As is recorded in Matthew 27:25.
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Originally posted by Nate S:
There has been uproar about nearly every Jesus film in the way they portray jews.
Very true and the absurdity of it drives me nuts.
Perhaps if every Jewish part in every movie from here on out consisted of a character wearing a death camp outfit and S/N on their arm, then the Anti-Defamation League and other representative groups would FINALLY feel that enough sympathy and "understanding" has been passed around on this subject, history be damned. They harp about so much that their cause is becoming a cliche...
As representatives of a group that demands tolerance and preach it, they certainly don't hold any for an event of MASSIVE historical significance that shines an ill light on a very small segment of their religious forebearers, and by almost ALL accounts, rightly so.
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Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by Contouraholic:
Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by Contouraholic:
Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by beyondloadedSE:
Its just so hard to believe one man did this all for you
So hard to believe that I don't. Seriously though, I'm not a christian or jewish so I can look at the issue without prejudice.
From what I've heard the jews are portrayed as conniving, with hook noses and bad teeth, whereas the desciples, who are also jews, are not.
Also, much of the scenes are not supported by scruptures, but by the visions of two nuns back in the 19th century.
And lastly, in the movie Pilot is coerced by the jewish leadership into crucifying christ against his better judgement. Apparently, no theologians, biblical scholars, or the Pope believe this to be true.
It seems that Mel Gibson has let the ravings of his lunatic father distort his portrayal of the last 12 hours of the life of christ.
You don't believe it and then you say it isn't factual. Why would that matter if you don't believe it?
I don't believe Mel Gibson's interpretation
Simce you said you are neither Christian or Jewish. You don't believe any Judeo-Christian interpretation if this is true. So now you have one more interpretation to disbelieve.
Since Christ was Jewish, most of his disciples are Jewish, most people in the movie are Jewish, it is plausable that some of those are conniving, as are some Christians, as are some of any faith. The connivers are not merely "Jews" but the leadership Politicians. Politicians, by definition, are connivers (IMHO). So representing some of the inhabitants as connivers is not reflective of a race or religion, simply a fact of political leadership.
I saw a still from the movie which showed the jewish leader with his mouth open, yelling. His teeth were brown and cruddy. Again, I have not seen the movie, but I think from this and other things I have heard is that the jews are portrayed as skummy people as well as evil. If I was jewish I would probably be upset about it.
yes, its not really their actions, just that supposively the jews in the movie are portrayed with big noses and crooked teeth. i'm jewish, and that kind of pisses me off. havent really seen the movie yet though.
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Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by Contouraholic:
Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by Contouraholic:
Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by beyondloadedSE:
Its just so hard to believe one man did this all for you
So hard to believe that I don't. Seriously though, I'm not a christian or jewish so I can look at the issue without prejudice.
From what I've heard the jews are portrayed as conniving, with hook noses and bad teeth, whereas the desciples, who are also jews, are not.
Also, much of the scenes are not supported by scruptures, but by the visions of two nuns back in the 19th century.
And lastly, in the movie Pilot is coerced by the jewish leadership into crucifying christ against his better judgement. Apparently, no theologians, biblical scholars, or the Pope believe this to be true.
It seems that Mel Gibson has let the ravings of his lunatic father distort his portrayal of the last 12 hours of the life of christ.
You don't believe it and then you say it isn't factual. Why would that matter if you don't believe it?
I don't believe Mel Gibson's interpretation
Simce you said you are neither Christian or Jewish. You don't believe any Judeo-Christian interpretation if this is true. So now you have one more interpretation to disbelieve.
Since Christ was Jewish, most of his disciples are Jewish, most people in the movie are Jewish, it is plausable that some of those are conniving, as are some Christians, as are some of any faith. The connivers are not merely "Jews" but the leadership Politicians. Politicians, by definition, are connivers (IMHO). So representing some of the inhabitants as connivers is not reflective of a race or religion, simply a fact of political leadership.
I saw a still from the movie which showed the jewish leader with his mouth open, yelling. His teeth were brown and cruddy. Again, I have not seen the movie, but I think from this and other things I have heard is that the jews are portrayed as skummy people as well as evil. If I was jewish I would probably be upset about it.
are you seriously gonna hold on to that statement!? it was friggin 33AD, man......do the math, almost 2000 years ago....i highly doubt the advances in oral science and care were up to par around that time......the man [gibson] set out to portray an accurate account of what happened that day, and of all the talk about this movie you choose the fact that someone has brown teeth.....get real.... 
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