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I thought hand guns were for shooting empty beer cans? I guess you Americans do things differently down there.
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Originally posted by bishop375:
The only problem here is a situation where you may ONLY have the chance to get one shot off... frankly, I'd rather know my ONE shot will knock said assailant off their feet, rather than just punch a small hole, and hope they fall over.
There's no handgun that will knock an assailant over, except maybe a .454 Casull or that freaky .500 that S&W makes. It's a Hollywood fiction.
Do you even know what a double-tap is? Two aimed shots to center-mass in about a half-second. That's a lot of kinetic energy and tissue damage in one instant...what stops an assailant in its tracks is shock, followed by blood loss. Sure, you'd ideally be defending yourself with a shotgun, but the most important thing is that you be able to deliver repeated effective hits to the target. If you can do that with a .45, great, but if it's easier with a .380, then load the best ammo for the job and practice hitting your target without fail.
I just hate the mindset that if the pistol caliber isn't a forty-something, you're effectively defenseless, when it just is NOT true. I fired a few magazines through a .22Magnum pistol one time and after the first stack of rounds, I felt positive that I could put down anyone with those extremely high velocity but easy-to-shoot slugs.
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Originally posted by Lance Kinley:
I've never shot a Kimber...hmmm..
I've got a Sig P229 (40S&W) and a HK USP 9mm. It's a tough call as to which one I like better!
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Any time you want to go shooting, Lance, I am always willing to go, as long as I have money for a few boxes of .45.
As far as the Kimbers go on size and recoil, I have small hands and the single stack .45 is much more comfortable for me to shoot than most double stack 9mm. Well, except for the Browning BDM I used to have. The Browning BDM is based off of the Browning Hi-Power and has a selector switch which lets you chose between DAO, SAO, or DA/SA. It is really a nice handgun, and I wish I would have never had to sell it off. I still want to get another one, but I have other places to spend a couple of hundred bucks now. I also took a female friend of mine shooting with me and the BDM and she liked it quite a bit. She was shooting really well her first time ever. The BDM has a nice feel, points naturally and is one of the slimmest double stack 9mm's I have ever wrapped my short pudgy fingers around. I like the ergonomics and features of that gun more than the Glock's or H&K's i have shot. Dont get me wrong, I really liked the H&K USP, but it doesnt beat my Kimber.
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Originally posted by DanCanuck:
I thought hand guns were for shooting empty beer cans? I guess you Americans do things differently down there.
mbSVT: you can tell your left wing, long hair, wine-sipping, sex in the city watching, Clinton loving liberal friends " better to have a gun and not need it, then to need a gun and not have one."
I shoot paper targets, but the best way to deal with a worse case scenario of some drugged out jackass coming after you and your family is to have the tools to deal with it at hand.
Shooting targets with a little .22 is cheap and a hell of a lot of fun, but that .22 isnt going to stop phsyco berserker man dead in his tracks.
The .45 was inverted to deal with drugged up Philippinos. These were not your slightly-built Manila Philipinos, the were hill-livin-fighting-for-thier-lives in the jungle Philipinos.
From all acount, they were totally badass. The same type of people that taught Magellan about escrima....by killing his western ass.
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the 9000 is quite a bit bigger than a subcompact glock. and it's really thick (probably too much so for your mrs.). i carried a G26 for a long time and loved it, and it is a stone reliable gun. right now i'm carrying a kel-tec p-11. it's an even smaller nine with the same capacity. not as nice a gun as the glock, but a lot smaller!!
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I checked out the Kel-tec P-3AT at the gun show a few weeks ago. It's super small that's for sure. Way smaller than my P232 (and too small for my hands, so maybe it's perfect for a female).
My only reservation is that it isn't the ideal gun to send a ton of rounds through. I question the long term durability if this is one's plan.
One more thing. It has a super long trigger draw which I found a little much.
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Good point. ANY handgun is lethal as long as you take the time to practice and become accurate with it.
all you g.i. joes realize that accuracy is not going to be in your vocabularly in any instance where CCW will come in handy right? the most you or most police officers will ever be able to hope for is putting rounds in the black. and for those of you who are military or ex military, it doesnt float the same way as it did in the service, atleast then you know when you are and you are not in combat. concealed weapons come in handy in split second life and death situations. you draw that sumbich, pull the trigger, and win or lose before you can blink and your heart can beat 3 times..
edit: not to say you shouldnt practice, by all means do, pulling the trigger should be reactionary once you decide to do it. but practicing double taps and headshots wont be very effective for those of you looking to cary concealed. take your holster to the range, draw, fire once, twice, 3 times at about 10 yards or less. holster and do it again
you guys might want to read up on a technique called quick kill as well.. its an old highspeed military point n click technique that works pretty damn well.
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Originally posted by Speed Demon:
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Good point. ANY handgun is lethal as long as you take the time to practice and become accurate with it.
all you g.i. joes realize that accuracy is not going to be in your vocabularly in any instance where CCW will come in handy right? the most you or most police officers will ever be able to hope for is putting rounds in the black. and for those of you who are military or ex military, it doesnt float the same way as it did in the service, atleast then you know when you are and you are not in combat. concealed weapons come in handy in split second life and death situations. you draw that sumbich, pull the trigger, and win or lose before you can blink and your heart can beat 3 times..
edit: not to say you shouldnt practice, by all means do, pulling the trigger should be reactionary once you decide to do it. but practicing double taps and headshots wont be very effective for those of you looking to cary concealed. take your holster to the range, draw, fire once, twice, 3 times at about 10 yards or less. holster and do it again
you guys might want to read up on a technique called quick kill as well.. its an old highspeed military point n click technique that works pretty damn well.
I don't recall any of us "gi joes" saying they don't take their holsters to the range and practice drawing and quick firing...in fact I don't recall anyone saying any specifics of practicing. You practice for what you will use it for...duh. If your main purpose is for self defense and CC then you practice as such...I thought that was common sense and didn't need to be said. Regardless...practice makes you more efficient EVEN in combat or self defense situations.
And yes I know all about the quick kill point/fire technique...it's nothing new. Was more or less developed by Israelis and has been taught to LAPD for many years and probably a lot more law depts as well now and there were tons of articles in Guns N Ammo and other gun mags about the guy who taught it and how he taught it.
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I'd say the Glock hands down. Probably just because of my personal prefrence. Better feel and I seem to shoot a little better with it for some reason. I'ts my understanding the reliability of the glock slightly supersedes the beretta as well.
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