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its not that superchargers suck on the zetec, its that the superchargers currently available for the zetec suck
Exactly, they are made for top end power, not a broad, flatter torque curve. There are SCs made for that, but not for the Contour.
so by the logic in this thread, the duratec sucks for superchargers too?
Not at all, its a great platform for SC due to how well it can breathe, IMO.
its not the engine that sucks for superchargers, its the sh!tty superchargers being put on them!!!
Hit the nail on the head. Although I would be happy with a SCed Duratec 
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Do some research, not all turbo systems have LAG, quit saying they do.
but anyways, a supercharger doesn't reach full boost until a certain RPM either, same with turbo.
Hmm listen to yourself kermit. You say not all turbos have lag then a sentence later you say they won't create boost till a certain rpm? That's lag my friend. Yes some cars are claimed anti-lag.. rally cars I know they say have anti-lag. The closest I think any street vehicle will get to anti-lag is in a diesel. My old 323GTX made 5psi@2700 or so and 7psi@3000 and held that to redline. A SR20DET powered 240sx I drove spooled up at 2500-2700. Now in my book that's pretty damn quick for a turbo car. Inless you get a turbo to make boost at idle you're always going to have some sort of lag. Lag is lag no matter when it spools 1500 or 3000rpms. I'll take a turbo over the S/C, so what if I have to wait a second or 2 for the fun to start. 
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well holy cape crusaders batman s/c or t/c. Well really it all comes down to which one you'd rather have.Turbos are great but THEY DO HAVE LAG (ALWAYS)and require more tunning and mods to the engine to be accepted. Plus they have more moving parts so more to break and fix. Superchargers are pretty much bolt on have less moving parts (theoretically more reliable) and don't require as many mods to be accepted. OH AND THEY NEVER HAVE LAG (crank driven always spinning) wether it's making 0.00001 psi of boost at idle it still making something.all this bickering is you guys defending the FI system you'd rather have not which one is better and regardless wouldn't it just be cool to see a s/c or t/c fsvt engine in a contour??? 
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yes it would. Oh turbo's go millions of miles in Diesel trucks without a hitch, so I 'd say they are reliable 
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In (Deisel) trucks not gas burning engines. They are reliable but there is still more to break because of more moving parts.
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just one shaft that's it. All that turns is the compressor wheel and turbine wheels on a shaft. The rest is all plumbing. S/C's have the belt,tensioner for it,and then the supercharger itself. More moving parts too me.
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How do superchargers have less lag than a Turbo? A SC is crank driven, ie it spins in relation to the rpms. Therefore the faster the engine spins, the faster the SC spins. Therefore the higher in the upper RPMs, the more boost and boost is limited only by the redline. So if you have a SC at 5psi, you'd only get 5psi at or near the REDLINE. If you look at the Jackson Racing base kit for the stock Zetec, you'll see it's making 150whp at 7000rpms and barely 130wtq.
Alright, I'm done. I could go on and on but this is ultimately about personal preference vs actual facts so no point in wasting my breath anymore. Go drive a supercharged zetec then a turbo'd zetec and then tell me which is better.
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There are less moving parts in a s/c go type up superchargers vs. turbochargers in yahoo and do some reserche lots o info der. And there is no lag on a s/c it just doesn't make full boost right away but it is always making something. All of those who are mechanical engineers say aye, aye
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Did you take a look at that link I posted from Corner-Carvers.com? P-51 is also an engineer and he says superchargers SUCK. He's also from Ontario and he's got a Focus with a custom Aerocharger turbo setup.
And anybody else with their own homemade turbo, say aye,aye.
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no sense arguing anymore, its like talking to a wall
he obviously thinks a supercharged FSVT engine is superior to a turbocharged normal zetec. so much so taht he would rather spend 3x the money on it also.
he completely ignores all the facts that has been presented and still thinks the current line of superchargers for the zetec are better than the turbo that makes more hp, and ALOT more tq
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