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I'm not beating down those who can put something together here, but the comments above are correct with regard to 'easier'.
Some folks live for the challenge, others want the car up and running rather soon. From that standpoint its prett hard to pass up the pre fit kit.
I'm certain that about anything can be made to work given enough time, money and experience. Just be reaonable on your expectations.
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There are 2 different types of Cobra Calipers, The differance is in the piston size 38mm on the earlier ones and they are all PBR aluminium Calipers, They have Cobra cast on the outside. NO CAST IRON ON COBRA's They used a thirteen inch rotor. The differance between the Baer and Cobra rotors is that the Cobra Calipers are a little wider and have a wider bracket than the Baer Calipers. This is because the Cobra rotors are wider than the Baer rotors. I am in the process of Changing my Mustang to the Cobra calipers from the Baer Set up. Want to get away from the Baer Aluminium Hubs. Parts not available at your local Auto Parts. This is also the same set up as found on the Corvette. Because of rules I also have to have the 13" Cobra Rotors turned down to 12". This is all being done on a Fox Mustang with SN 94/95 Spindles. Back to the Contour you will have to make modifications to the Spindles and or Brackets to make this change. A lot of work and machining.
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Originally posted by Rara:
Originally posted by tsSVT:
Originally posted by BlackE1:
I was thinking can the cobras brakes fit on the contour svts?
I did a seach and found this.
"I was speaking with Stazi and were thinking of coming up with our own version of a Baer kit. He explained to me that that Baer brakes are just Cobra calipers with a different bracket. He said if he could get a hold of a baer bracket he could copy it and make it at his work. Both he and I can get realy good deals on Ford parts."
did anything ever happen with making this bracket??
if your talkinng about the current cobra how can the brakes be the same as the baer kit?the cobra brakes are made by brembo.
Close, but not quite. The current Cobra uses rotors made by Brembo, and calipers from an australian company called PBR. Of note is that the current Mustang GT also uses calipers from PBR, except they are aluminum vs. the cast iron of the Cobra calipers. If I were to go through all that trouble to make a custom setup, I would probably find a way to use the aluminum GT calipers, but that's just me. Even still I would probably go for a complete kit from Baer or TCE or whoever over putting together my own deal for a contour. It will be cheaper in the long run, and much easier.
Of course, there will be some that will say "but I want to do my own just for the experience, I don't care if it costs more" well, fine, by all means, but I think if I were in that boat, I'd go for a whole lot more than the Cobra calipers, maybe some large brembo 4 or 6 piston fixed calipers, maybe some 14" two piece rotors, you know, the crazy big stuff.
I guess you learn something new everyday
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I have yet to see Cast Iron PBR Cobra Calipers. at least from 1994 to 2002. All have been aluminium. I have two pair off of a 96 Cobra Say Cobra on them Also PBR made in AU and are the 38mm Dual piston calipers. Guess What Aluminium.
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Originally posted by koscieldrk:
This is because the Cobra rotors are wider than the Baer rotors.
They're both 1.1 inches wide
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Well I'll tell ya what the Baer Calipers and Rotors I have have the .875 wide rotors, which were used on both the Corvette and Cobra and are the directly from Baer. Reason I'm changing over to the FORD COBRA PBR Calipers and Rotors is because of being able to go to the local auto parts for parts. Also have been breaking the Aluminium Hubs from Baer and at $225.00 each. Now everything in the front end including the spindles, hubs and rotors will now be all Ford Cobra which will also be the 1.1 inch rotors.
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If you're talking about the fronts, I don't know when you got them or what kit you got, but I have Baer "track" 13-inch brakes on my Mustang, kit delivered October 2002, and before I got them I confirmed with them that they are interchangeable with any off-the-shelf Cobra rotors (in the front anyway), they said yes they are, and last night I consulted the Baer catalog I have at home that I got with my order which lists these rotors at 1.1 inch, matching most of the information I was able to find about Cobra rotors.
Now, most importantly, I just got off the phone with Baer tech line ((602) 233-1411) and they confirmed that the 13-inch rotors are indeed 1.1 inches. Hard to argue with the source. I asked if they ever had an application where front rotors were .875 and they said their old "SS" system (12-inch for Fox-style spindles) included rotors that were .810 inch wide, but no .875's
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just want the correct information out there for anyone else who stumbles on this thread. My suggestion is you do some real digging into exactly what you have before you blow a wad of money on what may end up being a direct replacement. Because the Baer 13-inch rotors ARE essentially Cobra rotors, as I've been saying.
If you're talking about the rears, they are Corvette rotors with a Cobra bolt spacing so no, they are not off-the-shelf interchangeable, and in addition, the calipers present a clearance issue with trying to use a lot of off-the-shelf pads on the supplied rotors; as I found out the hard way, they require a pad that's thinner than you're likely to find OTS. That's why Hawk makes a pad specifically for Baer "tour" kits on Mustangs.
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Read back my friend. Mentioned in prior threads that I was using rotors cut down to 12". Typo they are .810 rotors and are the 12". Because of rules in my class I have had to have the Cobra Brembro Rotors cut down to 12". I have now converted all the fox spindles to SN96 spindles and hubs to so I can use the Cobra Stuff. Break an aluminium hub by Baer lose a wheel and enjoy the ride, I did. No parking lot racing here! Back to the Cast Iron Ford Hubs for me. The whole point is to get away from the Baer Stuff. Can't find a Baer Hub on a Sunday, but the local auto parts will have a Hub at 3/4 the price to finish off a weekend. I'd also like to mention that this change was not a bolt on instalation as the Cobra brackets had to be moved inward because of the 12" rotors. As far as the rears 86/91 Baer Camaro Set up, these will remain in tact, again 12" rotors .810 Anyway it's been fun! Guess maybe Mustang stuff shouldn't be included in Contour Chat your absolutely correct on the confusion. As far as Pads I run the Hawk Blues front and rear. Think I'd take my life in my hands with OTS Pads. Later I'm done.
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I'm not too sure if this is a cobra forum or contour forum, BUT,
to corroborate the source, I just measured my 13 Track Baer's and they're 1.1inches up front no questions asked.
So are the 13 cobra ones that wide as well, I understand that the 12inchers are .81. . .
I'd stick with the 1.1 just because surface area wise it's more of a heat sink than the .81. . .0.3 inches makes a difference, especially since it's 0.3 wide and 1 inch diameter difference between the two rotors. . .my .02
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Dwaine, Couple things; Quote:
NO CAST IRON ON COBRA's
Brain fade on my part for the silly statement, but you aren't quite right either. The Cobra Calipers do have cast iron anchor brackets.
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The differance is in the piston size 38mm on the earlier ones
Yup, and the 99+ ones have 40.5mm pistons; do you want a cookie?
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I have yet to see Cast Iron PBR Cobra Calipers. at least from 1994 to 2002. All have been aluminium. I have two pair off of a 96 Cobra Say Cobra on them Also PBR made in AU and are the 38mm Dual piston calipers. Guess What Aluminium.
1. There was no 2002MY Cobra (or 2000 Cobra, aside from the R or the 300 australian cobras we built).
2. Yeah, there is cast iron on them, its just the anchor brackets, as explained above. And also, they are in fact from PBR in australia (woohoo for you, you were able to repeat what I said!)
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and they are all PBR aluminium Calipers, They have Cobra cast on the outside.
Bzzzt. The 99+ regular mustang calipers (Base and GT) are also aluminum PBR twin piston calipers, and they DON'T have "Cobra" cast into them (fwiw, they are 43mm pistons). Also, the Bullitt, and the Mach 1 have the same basic caliper as the cobra (the newer 40.5 mm piston version) and those don't have "Cobra" cast into them either.
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They used a thirteen inch rotor.
Holy crap! I didn't know that!!! Wow, you are enlightening us with a wealth of knowledge.
Keep in mind, if you are cutting down the stock rotors from that 96 Cobra you got the calipers from, the Hayes design rotors are handed, plus you may run into clearance issues in tha hat area when you have to move the caliper in a half inch. Of course, if you have purchased replacement rotors from your Ford dealer, or even from tirerack or some other venues, you probably have the brembo rotors, which replaced the Hayes design in 99. No worries if you mix the brembos up, because they aren't handed.
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SN 94/95 . . . SN96
Wow, 2 out of three tries is wrong. There is no such thing as an SN94, or an SN96.
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Typo they are .810
That's not a typo, that's just wrong, just like when you gave me crap at least four times about mentioning cast iron and the cobra calipers in the same sentance. Own up to your screw-ups, geez.
Either way, you rubbed me the wrong way, because you decided you wanted to jump in and act all high and mighty over a semi-misstatement on my part. That would have been fine, but you had to jump in with a bunch of semi true tech that does nothing but confuse people. Maybe you should work on your post quality.
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