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To you "coldasfire" , just a hint the Duratec is not originaly an American motor. Think German hint..begins with P and ends with a "SH" sound...LOL. They come turboed quite regualry. Welcome aboard. Don't worry not everyone will yell at you..LOL

So all those 2.2L turbo Dodges, and 2.3L turbo Fords in the 80s were what? Though, I think I know where you might be comming from.

Let me guess Cold...you over 30...over 40? That import domestic comment is either major flame bait or generational thinking. My opinion on that is most older guys who grew up on V8s have hard ons for superchargers because of tradition and the fact that turbo's have only in the last 20 years become really easy and affordible to use.

Also the displacment of the engine has more bearing on it's sutability for super or turbo than the country it was made. Anything less than 3.0L and a supercharger is not the best option for FI. And Like I said, as you can see in my sig, I'm all turbo irregardless of engine size and origin.

And sorry if you're offended, but for those of us who know the ins and outs of these cars and have been into FI, we know what we speak of. We've been on the boards for a while and we know what's been done and what hasn't and when a newbie comes on saying stuff like that it's just infuriating, and politness can take a backseat to the truth.

Good luck with your CSVT. They're nice cars and with a good exhaust sound super sweet. Put a super or turbo on it so you'd have more HP than my 2.0 Zetec.

Happy posting.

Here's a great post about turbo's vs superchargers on the forum Corner-Carvers.com. The poster to read is a guy called P-51. He's one of the smartest guys on the Focaljet. He's a mechanical engineer, he custom installed his own aerocharger turbo, he was one of the first guys in North America to buy the Focus Pectel kit and tune the engine hiself and he even found some bugs in the software that Pectel UK has confirmed and Pectel US ignored.

This guy knows what he's talking about and is consistently one of the smartest posters on those boards.


http://corner-carvers.com/forums/showthread.php?s=b7a37632cda2c32f2f04e6afeb1f1808&postid=157240#post157240

ok....i have been grossly misinformed by many sources. I'm sorry to all you turbo and supercharger people. i'm not saying that turbochargers are bad, in fact, i'm very impressed by the output they have made on the WRX, Evos, SRT-4(i know dodge is american), and supras, RX-7. but for a 17 y/o pure bread american, turbos just aren't my thing, and don't say that i must not like power and speed, cuz i love power, i love the neck wrenching u get from 318 lbs-tq. I love the feeling of 300 hp under the hood of a car. but i have been grossly misinformed by performance stores, websites, and this site(ref. the shaft of the vortech). i have gone back and done some research into an area where i am already somewhat familiar. Turbochargers are great at higher altitudes and they do have other advantages. but the biggest disadvantage will still being an advantage, is that they use the exhaust. and exhaust creates a termendous amount of heat. and heat is not the friend of an engine. but again, i'm sorry to those i offended. i've been grossly misinformed.

That's a gutsy post, and I for one salute you. We're all still learning and it's hard sometimes when what you think is right turns out to be not so right.

I wouldn't say you've been misinformed as much as I think the information you've had has just become outdated by the modern technology. Superchargers were probably the best choice back in the day, but the advances in turbo's and electronic engine managment has negated that edge. It's pretty much a choice of style and tradition now on which is better, turbo's vs. supers for some people.

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i have gone back and done some research into an area where i am already somewhat familiar. Turbochargers are great at higher altitudes and they do have other advantages. but the biggest disadvantage will still being an advantage, is that they use the exhaust. and exhaust creates a termendous amount of heat. and heat is not the friend of an engine. but again, i'm sorry to those i offended. i've been grossly misinformed.

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Keep in mind many of us here know A LOT more about cars than you do, so are not telling us anything new when you speak of turbochargers creating a large amount of heat. This is where intercoolers as used (provided with the streetflight kit). They cool the air charge considerably before it makes it to the engine. It has been a long time since I have seen the intake air temperature readings a memeber here posted, but they were well within acceptable limits, negating effectively the heat from the turbo.

In addition you keep telling us you want something that will throw you back in the seat, which completely negates your pro-supercharger statements, as we have stated previously, the supercharger does not provide this while the turbo does (low end torque and partially horsepower)

One thing you need to remember is that 99.9% of supercharger offerings be it a "custom" kit, or the "Craptech" system(sorry Vortech users..) will be a centrifugal compressor which is theoretically the same as a turbo.(uses a pulley drive as opposed to exhaust driven)

We get quite a few "know it alls" here on the boards that spout off some hilarious so called facts about turbo lag and so on. You're in Miami, I'm in Ft. Lauderdale....I'll put money on anyone who can sense turbo lag in my car.

The key to having a well made system is research...something the guys at StreetFlight have done quite a bit of. My best advice to you is screw the custom made system for $6,000, buy the StreetFlight kit and be done with it....I'll take the difference, call it an advice referral fee!

The system costs you $5,000, and the only thing it's short on compared to your custom setup is the install.....which is half the fun of modding a car!

Guts man.

I know I'm late but is a blowoff valve not the sweetest damn sound a car can make