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Originally posted by XxColdAzFireXx:
Originally posted by Russell-3L:
2) vortech supercharger
cheaper than streetflight, makes ALOT less torque, has lots of problems with the shaft, doesnt have headers or an intercooler, to fix all these problems, it costs more than the streetflight setup, and still makes less power!
 The shaft on the Vortech has been corrected by Vortech. The new ones do not have the same problem. As far as tq goes....at least ur getting ur power right away while turbo people have to get their RPMs way up in order for the power to really start to kick in. Superchargers start working at 2000 RPM. and in my opinion (and i know people will hound me about this cuz they don't understand what opinion is) but turbos are for imports and superchargers are for domestics. turbos require custom headers and exhaust, turbo times for precision, and a sh!t load of work to get it in. I don't like turbos becuase i don't really like the sound of blow off valves, it gives away what u got. but that's just my opinion. so.....let the hounding begin (cuz i know it will anyway). 
Robert
your very far off from teh truth my friend !
1) vortech made a "revised" shaft which is still unreliable and VERY prone to failure.
2) the supercharger doesnt make its power till high rpms. its a centrifugal blower as opposed to teh roots style like on the lightnigna nd cobra taht you are talking about!
3) if you buy the streetflight kit for 5K you get EVERYTHING, its truely a bolt on install.
4) the supercharger oesnt ahve an intercooler, while teh turbo does
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Originally posted by Faboo:
Originally posted by Y2KSVT:
Originally posted by Russell-3L:
has lots of problems with the shaft
Who doesn't? 
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thats wrong dude. I have had the Vortech and you wait for the boost. I have a turbo car and the boost is there before 3k rpm. I shift out much earlier on my mazda than I used to do on my SVT. I would rather make the power down low and save the engine from the abusive high rpms that a centrifigal supercharger requires to make power. I sold my vortech kit to get a turbo for the svt and I wouldn't have went through the hassle if it wasn't worth it. And also, Vortech may have upgraded the jack shaft on the Focus kit but they never did the same to the Contour kit. Oh and hate to burst your bubble but a Vortech blows off too. Only the Vortech uses a recurculating bypass valve. Even worse than a loud blowoff valve because its recirculating hot air as opposed to blowing it off to the atmosphere.
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Oh where to begin.
When to use a supercharger is a good start. A blower is good on motors with more cubic inches because the bottom end torque is already availble N/A. It has nothing to do with being a domestic or import.
A turbo can be sized for the motor it is being installed on, so the thresh hold, not lag can start as soon as the pedal is pushed. Much like the SF kit. The LAG which is the time it takes to make full boost is achieved, is at 2900 rpms turbo and 7500 S/C. Then you get into inertial force. Under load, the damaging from 6800rpm to 7200rpm goes up 144%. So keeping the RPMS lower is the way to go if you can. Hence, fit the turbo to the car. A 60-1 on a B16 fits the criteria of which you speak. Not for street use.
BTW, for any power adder to work well, you will need headers and exhaust and tuning so that argument is moot.
Rev Po'Jay, with the upgraded shaft, has already shredded it. Vortec told him basically to grab his socks because they offer no help to owners of their product.
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Originally posted by XxColdAzFireXx:
The shaft on the Vortech has been corrected by Vortech. The new ones do not have the same problem.
2. As far as tq goes....at least ur getting ur power right away while turbo people have to get their RPMs way up in order for the power to really start to kick in.
3. Superchargers start working at 2000 RPM. and in my opinion (and i know people will hound me about this cuz they don't understand what opinion is)
4. but turbos are for imports and superchargers are for domestics. turbos require custom headers and exhaust, turbo times for precision, and a sh!t load of work to get it in. I don't like turbos becuase i don't really like the sound of blow off valves, it gives away what u got.
Obviously you do not do much research.
1. This "upgraded" shaft has failed numerous times as well.
Then there is the harmonics issue which destroys the front seal and bearings of the S/C unit itself.
Then there is Vortec's utter lack of warranty or customer service. Then there is their ridiculous replacement part prices.
Shall I go on...
2. Again with the clueless retort. The S/C does not make any appreciable power over a STOCK engine until past 4500rpm. How is that for having to wait for it. Not only that but to really ring any real HP numbers out of the setup you have to spin the engine well past 7000rpm (I.E. bearing failure - time for upgraded internals!)
The turbo makes fat power from 3000 to redline. How about flatline TQ of 260+ the entire time vs maybe 200-210 only at peak (5500-6000rpm) from the vortec and only once it spins fast enough to make any boost. 
3. Maybe a roots/screw style S/C but not a centrifugal S/C. Study up a little more.
4. ...and apparently ignorance is for you...  (damn at this point I really hope you are a troll otherwise you are beyond help)
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A supercharger on anything short of a V8, ain't worth it. And I'll even say a supercharger on a V8 ain't worth it. I'll take twin turbo's any day. The only thing cool about a supercharger is if you got the kind that sticks out the hood, Mad Max style. This is also very true for I4s. It amazes me that people with Zetec's are still buying Jackson Racing Superchargers and now the new Vortech one. The JR is so weak, their even some people talking about making a custom kit with the SVT blower to make more power. They make no TQ vs a turbo at the same psi. The only advantage they have is CARB friendlier installs. But I say screw emissions. 
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Originally posted by XxColdAzFireXx:
Originally posted by Russell-3L:
2) vortech supercharger
cheaper than streetflight, makes ALOT less torque, has lots of problems with the shaft, doesnt have headers or an intercooler, to fix all these problems, it costs more than the streetflight setup, and still makes less power!
The shaft on the Vortech has been corrected by Vortech. The new ones do not have the same problem. As far as tq goes....at least ur getting ur power right away while turbo people have to get their RPMs way up in order for the power to really start to kick in. Superchargers start working at 2000 RPM. and in my opinion (and i know people will hound me about this cuz they don't understand what opinion is) but turbos are for imports and superchargers are for domestics. turbos require custom headers and exhaust, turbo times for precision, and a sh!t load of work to get it in. I don't like turbos becuase i don't really like the sound of blow off valves, it gives away what u got. but that's just my opinion. so.....let the hounding begin (cuz i know it will anyway).
Robert
Are you for real? With your small post count I gotta think that you are a faux account. Newsflash! The SuperCharger has a "Blow-Off Valve" too! It is actually a recirculation valve called a "Bypass Valve". Who the hell fed you the line of sh!t about Turbos for Imports and S/C's for Domestics? Were you really that hungry? You really need to think before you post, lest you sound like a true moron. I apologize to all others on this thread, but a rant was due. Also, this topic could have been avoided all together if its author would have just looked at the Sticky thread on the top of the freakin forum! You two are gonna mek me join a Car Forum haters forum. Damn! Help keep my brain from coming out of my ear!!!
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Ok, i wrong. I must of misunderstood the previor forum threads and websites about the Vortech. I'm sorry. but in My Opinion, american cars were not made for turbochargers. Imports are the one for tubros and domestics were made for superchargers.
as far as options go, if you got the cash flow, you can always have a custom supercharger or turbo system made. I'm considering a custom supercharger, the place i go to quoted me $6k, which included labor, parts, and tuning. but we'll see.
As Posted by Rev. Po-Jay:
"Who the hell fed you the line of sh!t about Turbos for Imports and S/C's for Domestics? Were you really that hungry? You really need to think before you post, lest you sound like a true moron."
Do people not understand OPINION 
I originally thought that maybe the people on this site were understanding, polite, and even cool, but i see now that some of you are just ignorant [censored]. but again, that's just an opinion.
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I don't usually make posts like this but you can't say ignorant things and then make it okay by saying "it's my opinion" If you like superchargers that's great...but to say one is made for a car depending on what side of the world the car comes from is just dumb.
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I'm sorry. but in My Opinion, american cars were not made for turbochargers. Imports are the one for tubros and domestics were made for superchargers.
Were you not paying attention to the last few posts? Read a book about the subject and then come back before making unresearched statements. You put that up there as flame bait and you got your ass scortched. What were you expecting to happen with an uneducated statement like that?
Your opinion is completely baseless.
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