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anyone ever done it? i'm fixin to 
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No, why?!?!?!  Who have you been talking to?!?!?!?! All of my cars have always had EGR installed and functioning. I don't care what anyone says. If they say different, they're lying!!! And I've always had cats on my cars too, so there!!! Just FYI, if you do remove it, the DPFE will not be happy unless you remove the EGR sensor function from the chip. 
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Originally posted by bnoon:
Just FYI, if you do remove it, the DPFE will not be happy unless you remove the EGR sensor function from the chip.
I'de just leave the DPFE sensor in place but instead connecting the EGR to the intake manifold, weld a pipe to route the exhaust gas back into the exhaust pipes after the DPFE. Then the PCM will go 'turn on EGR', which won't do anything cause you won't have an EGR solenoid, but the PCM won't CEL because the DPFE will be showing flow across it.
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Well as long as everyone understands deleting the EGR does absolutely nothing for performance. Plus not having it operational causes the engine to run hotter since it is used to cool the cylinders on deceleration. Plus your emissions (if pertinent) will increase as well. Originally posted by mcon99:
I'de just leave the DPFE sensor in place but instead connecting the EGR to the intake manifold, weld a pipe to route the exhaust gas back into the exhaust pipes after the DPFE. Then the PCM will go 'turn on EGR', which won't do anything cause you won't have an EGR solenoid, but the PCM won't CEL because the DPFE will be showing flow across it.
However you will get a CEL for EGR excessive flow & EGR stuck open. Limp mode times 2.
The DPFE looks for a fairly specific pressure difference. If it is not in this range you will always get a CEL.
Also the PCM knows when there is suppose to be "flow" across the DPFE so if the flow amount and timing does not match the programmed specs you will get a CEL.
Besides why would you want to run the abysmally small plastic manifolds anyway???
They ARE NOT designed for performance in ANY way!
They are as small as the stock split port UIM!!! (which has the smallest ports of any split port UIM or LIM respectively)
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not if we re-flash my ecu 
why joo ask? why not! less crap in the engine bay, people have shown gains on other cars... and if noones tried how can you be so certain? its not like its hard, i can weld up the junk in 5 minutes, throw away the junk in the way and move along.
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It has been shown to give tiny performance gains, people tried it out on zetecs a little while back, but found out that not having it can cause excessive heat in the engine (not talking about coolant either) and can lead to some problems, though it could be useful just doing it temporarily at the track,,, that is if it's as easy to do on a duratec as it is on a zetec.
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Explain how it could give performance gains if the EGR is never used at WOT anyway???
If anything it would decrease performance at tip in and after shifting since the cylinders do not receive it's cooling effect.
Not too mention the PCM maxing spark advance (emissions programming) thinking the EGR was working would likely cause the knock sensor to kick in and retard timing for a short time while accelerating after a shift or decel.
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i did it to my mr2 but it was just a cosmetic thing to simplify things under the hood. plus i wouldnt run regular gas only premium so it wouldnt cause detonation. i owuldnt want to risk screwing up my duratec the mr2 engines came cheap, plentifull and easy to work on.
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Explain how it could give performance gains if the EGR is never used at WOT anyway???
If anything it would decrease performance at tip in and after shifting since the cylinders do not receive it's cooling effect.
Not too mention the PCM maxing spark advance (emissions programming) thinking the EGR was working would likely cause the knock sensor to kick in and retard timing for a short time while accelerating after a shift or decel.
Don't ask me, ask those who did it.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Explain how it could give performance gains if the EGR is never used at WOT anyway???
If anything it would decrease performance at tip in and after shifting since the cylinders do not receive it's cooling effect.
Not too mention the PCM maxing spark advance (emissions programming) thinking the EGR was working would likely cause the knock sensor to kick in and retard timing for a short time while accelerating after a shift or decel.
Don't ask me, ask those who did it.
He didn't quote you... Just because his reply is after yours, doesn't mean he's speaking directly at you. 
EGR does nothing for WOT, dyno proven many times over. The only reason not to have one would come from aethetic reasons, or in my case, to lazy to fabricate one up for the aluminum 3L UIM. 
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