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Originally posted by weargle:
I disagree. If you feel that you can "bend" the rules by saying that "it really isn't a competitive advantage" then you're wrong. Cheating is cheating. Class yourself right, and deal with that PAX. Contours aren't that competitive anyway; look at the national champs in GS and STS -- they're all in newest gen Celics GT's and 88-91 Civic Si's respectively. You'll never beat one of those that has a decent driver.
And THAT is exactly my problem with the SCCA. ONE car is THE car for a class.
That and "Stock" isn't stock. All the other GS-type mods are useable on the street--race tires are not, anyone wanting to be anywhere near competitive in a presumably "STOCK" class has to buy special tires and dedicated wheels. I despise race tires being permitted in stock. You add up all the other mods allowed in GS and they're still not enough to overcome specialty tires. THAT IS WRONG! So I'll race in GS with a Borla, B&M, and street tires till the cows come home and not feel one ounce of shame thank you very much.
-- 1999 SVT #220 --
In retrospect, it was all downhill from here. RIP, CEG.
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Originally posted by bigMoneyRacing:
That and "Stock" isn't stock. All the other GS-type mods are useable on the street--race tires are not, anyone wanting to be anywhere near competitive in a presumably "STOCK" class has to buy special tires and dedicated wheels. I despise race tires being permitted in stock. You add up all the other mods allowed in GS and they're still not enough to overcome specialty tires. THAT IS WRONG! So I'll race in GS with a Borla, B&M, and street tires till the cows come home and not feel one ounce of shame thank you very much.
OK, your Borla is legal, your street tires are legal, but your short shifter isn't. In your car club, feel free as long as your competitors don't care. I don't like cheating, so I state my equipment upgrades right up front. If cheating the rules doesn't shame you, then go right ahead. What's wrong with the SCCA is that participants don't adhere to the gentlemen's agreement to self-police and put their car in the proper class.
It's not like the PAX from GS to STS is all that different, now is it? (0.781 to 0.791) And since you're not allowed to run Hoosiers or V700s in STS, that evens everything else out. You're actually doing yourself a <i>disservice</i> by not using sticky tires in GS. No wonder that nobody protests you.
Whirling dervish of FFOG.
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Originally posted by weargle:
If cheating the rules doesn't shame you, then go right ahead.
When those rules are asinine you can bet on it.
Originally posted by weargle:
What's wrong with the SCCA is that participants don't adhere to the gentlemen's agreement to self-police and put their car in the proper class.
No, what's wrong with the SCCA is their class structure that caters to specific people and the balance of the membership with their head too far up their butt to notice.
Originally posted by weargle:
You're actually doing yourself a <i>disservice</i> by not using sticky tires in GS. No wonder that nobody protests you.
No shite, that's my point! G-Stock should mean be *STOCK*
Just to be competitve in a STOCK class you have to spend a significant amount of money buying NON-stock pieces. I think Bill Clinton is an SCCA member..."depends on what the definition of 'is' is."
Thus my whole problem with the rules structure, they allow tires that are good for ~2 sec per 60 second lap but do not allow a short-throw shifter that is good for .00000000002 seconds per lap. So I should go run in the street tire class? Where I can spend my self into the poor house buying MORE parts. Is it so friggin hard to have a stock class and it really mean STOCK? Or at the very least some classifications that actually seek to equalize competition?
-- 1999 SVT #220 --
In retrospect, it was all downhill from here. RIP, CEG.
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Umm.... nice pictures dude. Looks like fun!
Matt
2002 Subaru Impreza WRX (WRB Stage 4+)
Old Rides:
1999 Sil-Fro SVT Contour 3.0L with goodies (Totalled 6/21/06)
1988 Bronco II (Sold)
You know you launch hard when you beat oncoming traffic through their own crosswalk lines.
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