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As for "cops doing their job", its unfortunate that only the bad stories get to the media, but then again the bad stories shouldn't happen at all. A few years back a homeless man with a friggen stick outside of a McDonald's was shot to death by a number of officers because he wouldn't cooperate. Yeah, that stick sure is a lethal weapon. Better shoot him numerous times.
All I'm saying is that I probably have a horrible impression of cops because all I hear about them is when they screw-up. Unfortunate, but true. And maybe that's why other people are so quick to jump on cops as well.
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Originally posted by Sandman333:
So, once again, we are faced with the idea that if you can somehow make it home, you are "safe"?
No, but if she is stationed there to look for/pull over people for failure to use a turn signal in order to check for DUIs, then my response is that she needs to be restationed. Move to a congested road and still look for failure to signal so that you can make the road safer for future drivers that the potential DUIer might encounter. The last place I'd stop a person for a DUI would be where the person ends his/her travels. Or why not just wait for people to LEAVE their driveway, and pull them over then? Makes more sense to me at least...
Since it is so uncommon for sober people to signal going into their own driveway, how would it stand out any more to the police for an intoxicated driver?
Ive got nothing but respect for police, but when you hear about a friend getting a ticket for 6 mph over the limit (when the legal cushion in FL is 5 mph) because the officer wanted to "teach him a lesson", it gets you thinking about how ridiculous some stops are.
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I shall commence with a wee trucker poem:
AHEM
Here I sit on the pooper,
giving birth to a new State Trooper
But all I did was fart and pee,
So I'll have to settle for the DOT!
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Originally posted by Antiramie:
(when the legal cushion in FL is 5 mph)
Unless FL is different from everyother state that I am aware of, there is no LEGAL CUSHION , this is a common myth, The officers are just giving people a break, the law says 45 its 45, not 50 no such thing as a cushion.
For all you cynical bastages out there think about that for a while, gee the police really do cut me some slack! For criminy - most of the guys I know wont even pull you over till 18 over- just so they get the people really speeding - not the everyday joe im going a hair to fast.
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No myth. Florida statutes provide for no fine up to 5 mph over.
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Originally posted by Antiramie:
No myth. Florida statutes provide for no fine up to 5 mph over.
From the NHTSA website of state speed laws and statutes:
Florida:
6. 6I. For exceeding the speed limit from 1 to 9 MPH, the fine is $25. For exceeding the speed limit from 10 to 14 MPH, the fine is $100. For exceeding the speed limit from 15 to 19 MPH, the fine is $125. For exceeding the speed limit from 20 to 29 MPH, the fine is $150. And, for exceeding the speed limit by 30 MPH, the fine is $250. §318.18(3)(b) II. For exceeding the speed limit in a school or construction zone, the assessed fine is double the amount indicated above. §318.18(3)(c)
7. 7Sanction or sanctions which can be imposed if an offender elects to adjudicate the traffic offense. §§316.655(2) & 318.14(5)
8. 8I. A person, who commits a noncriminal traffic infraction, may, in lieu of a court appearance, elect to attend a driver improvement course. If such occurs, adjudication is withheld and points cannot be assessed against the person's driving record. In addition, the civil penalty imposed under §318.18(3) must be reduced by 18 percent. §318.14(9) II. If an offender elects to adjudicate the traffic infraction, they still may be ordered to attend such a course. §318.13(5)
9. 9Point System. I. A person's license is suspended respectively for either (1) not more than 30 days, (2) not more than 3 months or (3) not more than 1 year is they accumulate either (1) 12 points within 12 months, (2) 18 points within 18 months or (3) 24 points within 36 months. §322.27(a), (b) & (c) II. The following points are assessed for speed related moving traffic violations: (1) 3 points for exceeding the speed limit by <15 MPH; (2) 4 points for exceeding the speed limit by >15 MPH; (3) 6 points for unlawful that results in an accident; (4) 4 points for reckless driving; (5) 3 points for careless driving; (6) 3 points for racing on the highways; and, (7) 4 points for a non-speed related moving violation that results in an accident. §322.27(3)(d)(1), (3), (5)(a) & (b), (7) & (8)
According to that, Florida DOES provide a fine for 5 mph over.
For comparison, here's New Mexico's laws:
4. 4Penalty Assessments. The following monetary assessments are assigned for speeding violations: (1) 10 MPH over the speed limit or minimum speed violation-$15; 11 to 15 MPH over the speed limit-$30; 16 to 20 MPH over the speed limit-$65; 21 to 25 MPH over the speed limit-$100; 26 to 30 MPH over the speed limit-$125; 31 to 35 MPH over the speed limit-$150; >35 MPH over the speed limit-$200. §66-8-116(A)
5. 5The following additional fees are assessed: A fee of $10 to cover local government corrections costs; a fee of $10 to cover the costs of court automation; a fee of $3 to fund traffic education and enforcement; and, a fee of $1 to fund judicial education. §66-8-116.3
6. 6Point System. I. An offender's license is suspended for not more than 3 months if they accumulate between 7 and 10 points within 1 year. §66-5-30(A)(11) & Title 18 NMAC 19.5.11.5 However, they are subject to a 12 month suspension if they accumulate 12 or more points within 12 consecutive months. Title 18 NMAC 19.5.11.6 II. The following points have been assigned for speeding or speed related violations: Speeding 26 MPH over the speed limit-8 points; reckless driving-6 points; racing on highway-6 points; speeding 16 to 25 MPH over the speed limit-5 points; speeding 6 to 15 MPH over the speed limit-4 points; and, careless driving-3 points. Title 18 NMAC 19.5.11.3
7. 7Exception. Except on highways with 75, 35 or 15 MPH speed limits, the licensing agency cannot suspend an offender's license for a speeding violation unless the offender was driving >75 MPH. §66-7-302.1
8. 8The offense of "careless driving" includes operating a vehicle "in a careless, inattentive or imprudent manner, without due regard for the width, grade, curves, corners, traffic, other and road conditions and other attendant circumstances." §66-8-114(B)
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Originally posted by Antiramie:
Originally posted by Sandman333:
So, once again, we are faced with the idea that if you can somehow make it home, you are "safe"?
No, but if she is stationed there to look for/pull over people for failure to use a turn signal in order to check for DUIs, then my response is that she needs to be restationed. Move to a congested road and still look for failure to signal so that you can make the road safer for future drivers that the potential DUIer might encounter. The last place I'd stop a person for a DUI would be where the person ends his/her travels. Or why not just wait for people to LEAVE their driveway, and pull them over then? Makes more sense to me at least...
Since it is so uncommon for sober people to signal going into their own driveway, how would it stand out any more to the police for an intoxicated driver?
Ive got nothing but respect for police, but when you hear about a friend getting a ticket for 6 mph over the limit (when the legal cushion in FL is 5 mph) because the officer wanted to "teach him a lesson", it gets you thinking about how ridiculous some stops are.
And if we pulled someone over in that congested area, you would be complaining about that, saying how unsafe it was for the stopped motorist and officer, and how it disrupted your commute home, causing you to sit behind a traffic jam of gawkers. I'm already familiar with your type of logic.
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Originally posted by Horse:
Originally posted by Antiramie:
(when the legal cushion in FL is 5 mph)
Unless FL is different from everyother state that I am aware of, there is no LEGAL CUSHION , this is a common myth, The officers are just giving people a break, the law says 45 its 45, not 50 no such thing as a cushion.
For all you cynical bastages out there think about that for a while, gee the police really do cut me some slack! For criminy - most of the guys I know wont even pull you over till 18 over- just so they get the people really speeding - not the everyday joe im going a hair to fast.
You are, of course, correct. I love how everyone thinks they are a lawyer.... 
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Even if that proves true, there is still the authorization for the officer to pull you over. You still can't argue that. The officer is perfectly within his power.
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