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Originally posted by RoeCyris:
before u celebrate thing about how long it took Gibbs to build a great team and then think about the average time it takes for a coach to leave (or get fired) washington.
this is blasphemous talk. only a hard core skins fan would realize how big this is. gibbs was the LAST coach to have a good season with the redskins. they went to the playoffs once in the past 12 years. they are my team, but over the last 3-4 years i have found myself watching other games b/c i could not watch them anymore. please don't burst our bubble, let us be happy until mid season. 
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didn't they both beat washington this season  haha. redskins still wont be any better i think they dont have the will to play togethe (the players) i mean unless gibbs can give them some insane ass stimulation to play well they will continue to blow. only good player they have is coles...and maybe the qb but they need people who want to play...
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Originally posted by proliphik:
didn't they both beat washington this season haha. redskins still wont be any better i think they dont have the will to play togethe (the players) i mean unless gibbs can give them some insane ass stimulation to play well they will continue to blow. only good player they have is coles...and maybe the qb but they need people who want to play...
Ah, today's youngsters have no idea the impact Joe Gibbs will have. 
He's one of the greatest coaches in NFL history. 3rd highest winning % of all time. 4 Super Bowls appearances. 3 Super Bowl victories.
Redskins have no players?
O-line: Chris Samuels? John Jansen? Randy Thomas?
DBs: Champ Bailey? Fred Smoot?
Lavar?
Spurrier's system sucked - period. His "Fun and Gun" did not play to the strengths of the personell. Skins will find a between the tackles back and poound the ball like they did with Riggo and Byner. Williams will make the Skins D top 5 (see Titans and Bills ranked #1 and #2 overall w/ him as D-coordinator). Samuels, Jansen, Lavar, Champ, Coles, and Ramsey will be Pro-Bowl bound next year.
Skins will go 10-6 and make the playoffs. They will contend every year Gibbs chooses to coach the Skins.
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you guys know...it isn't all about the coach and it really doesn't matter about the players and how "good" they are. it's will to play, look at the seahawks or the bengals, they don't have a lot of talent but they want to win and play well...also with the chiefs they have some but not as much as say the ravens. look at oakland they should have been amazing again this season, but they looked like they didn't even want to play. coachs can make drastic changes (parcells) but he has to make the team want to win. past coaching experience isn't really going to help gibbs, he has no experience with the new front office and how money is managed now in the nfl, hes going to get used to it fast i'm sure, but i still think the redskins will not win a title for another 3-4 years at least
don't make me start talking about that shotty o-line they let ramsey get sacked so many times it isn't funny. and their defesne gave up over 5k yards of offense...only to be beaten by the cards and falcons (in the nfc) they are 25th out of 32 in the nfl...did real good there, no. and 23rd on offense. they need to get their act together...maybe gibbs IS the man to do it, but you never know he could f up like the rest of the coachs that everyone thought could do it
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Gibbs sounds like an ass-kicker, though. Should be interesting.
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Wrong on about 95% of your post.
It's NOT will.  If it was will, I'd be making millions in some major sport.
It's the coach and the system - period.
Skins O-line is not shoddy. Again, it was the system.
If you so desire I can elaborate and destroy your "it's will theory".
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STOP RAINING ON MY F*CKING PARADE!!! 
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It's not me! It's these youngsters (  ) who think they know more about football than us old, diehard, glory days Skins fans!
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i mean [censored] if i was getting a 40 million dollar contract i wouldn't care less about how well i played. i mean when you watched the games...it showed that the actualy players just didn't care
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Originally posted by proliphik:
i mean [censored] if i was getting a 40 million dollar contract i wouldn't care less about how well i played. i mean when you watched the games...it showed that the actualy players just didn't care
That's just a pathetic, stereotypical statement.
Would you like me to list some players who makes millions per year and bust there ass every time they go out and play? It's a long list.
Originally posted by SVT ST PETE:
If you so desire I can elaborate and destroy your "it's will theory".
Redskins had essentailly the same defense as last year.
Different COACH w/ differnt system (you don't seem to think coaches or systems is the key, since it's all about will )
5th last year, 25th this year.
(See Bengals below)
Bengals were horrible last year.
Essentially the same roster this year.
Why the improvement?
THE COACH AND THE SYSTEM
Cowboys were horrible last year.
Essentially the same roster this year.
Why the improvement?
THE COACH AND THE SYSTEM
Patriots have been decimated with injuries all year.
Yet they finish 14-2 w/ 12 straight to finish the season.
One of the best Ds in the NFL.
Why?
THE COACH AND THE SYSTEM
You give too much credit to "will".
Put Allen Iverson as a 4 and you think even with his unquestioned "will" he will be successful?
You have to have a good system that plays to your players' strengths and disguise their weaknesses.
Skins O-line. Look at what they did with Davis before Spurrier came in. (Better talent now than pre-Spurrier)
Why are they giving up more sacks and less rush yards per game?
THE COACH AND THE SYSTEM
You're too young to understand what kind of coach Joe Gibbs is. I've watched almost every single Redskins game since the early 80s.
Originally posted by proliphik:
redskins still wont be any better i think they dont have the will to play togethe (the players) i mean unless gibbs can give them some insane ass stimulation to play well they will continue to blow.
Care to put some money where your mouth is?
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