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Originally posted by extreme98svt:
Originally posted by Contouraholic:
You think Mazda, who just got grief for the low hp rating on the RX-8, would of thought to put spacers in.
I don't believe the their dyno results. I am being hard@ssed, but I would only believe an independent lab.
...This isn't some "rice" product, these have been around for years, long before the birth of the Honda Civic and a Ford Contour for that matter...
From my earlier post: Quote:
Spacers on carbureted cars were the rage in the 1960's. The decrease in carb bowl heating usually helped, though sometimes didn't, since some applications the carb froze up (air, expanding into the manifold, actually has a refrigeration effect) and decreased performance as they needed some heat. In other applications, the intake
Yup, spacers have been around for years. So have other "just bolt on this simple device and see more HP" items. This sounds like the same snake oil with testimonials and suspect dyno plots (which I did miss the first time.
PT Barnum made a comment about this type of thing.
You can believe it. You can use it. You can call me names. I don't know why you have this urge to convince me or prove me wrong. I won't believe it until I see an INDEPENDENT lab prove it.
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Originally posted by extreme98svt:
Originally posted by Contouraholic:
You think Mazda, who just got grief for the low hp rating on the RX-8, would of thought to put spacers in.
I don't believe the their dyno results. I am being hard@ssed, but I would only believe an independent lab.
Well, why did ford neglect to use a metal impeller water pump or use a DMD when they made the Contour? Why did Ford not put an x-pipe on the Cobra? Or Long tube headers? Or 3.73 rear ends? Cost. Alot of auto manufactures cut corners and sometimes we're left with the poor results of it. Unless you're spending thousands on a high end car, expect the aftermarket to take care of the things, that the auto manufactures left out. Like Ford and thier hp numbers, they always overate the actual output. Just like 90% of the aftermarket world. Why do you think there are "ricers" out there that think that a K&N adds 20 hp? That they can get 30 hp from a cold air intake thats not even a cold air unit (open filter in HOT engine compartment)? Half the time your posting about "painting things yellow", "its like a tornado", you sound like a ricer in reform. I'm with you on the TB spacer, as there is NO gain to be achieved. But your comparison of junk products to the Intake spacers is obsurd. This isn't some "rice" product, these have been around for years, long before the birth of the Honda Civic and a Ford Contour for that matter. The Intake spacers produce ligitamate numbers, but on the Contour, it is yet to be seen. It should be in no way related to the [censored] products you compare them to.
Ford didn't use a metal impeller because the plastic one was cheaper AND lighter weight! This is a good thing. THe early ones sucked, the later white impellers have been great, 5 years in my car. Less parasitic loss on the valve-train where every OUNCE COUNTS!
The Cobra DOES use a crossover pipe, I just looked at one. The x-pipe is not necessarily better and the H-pipe is arguably superior to the x-pipe.
The rear-end ratio is dependent on many things, like CAFE and engine longevity. Just because a part isn't 100% race ready doesn't make it bad. There is something to be said for being able to drive home after the race.
Some of your points about cutting corners are well taken, but generally a better performing engine with only a 50 cent spacer is no-brainer that the manufacturer would use if it was all that beneficial. If it caused other concerns like hood clearances as in the carburetor days....well you can't blame them.
Just remember these are the days of computer 3D simulation and modeling. A spacer changes the length of the intake path, the computer models optimize for the proper length. MEANING: They designed the length into the manifold already! Look on the contour, 1" or even 3" spacers wouldn't be hard to accomodate at all. Just shorten the air intake boot.
This isn't carburetors any more.
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Well I dont know if anyone pointed this out but from my experences the spacers on the intake mani work on some motors. I.e the Kl-03 motor thats in the probe gt and mx-6. There manifolds heated up very quickly and I dont have the exact terminology but well the motor temp got a certain degrees the motor automatically retarded the timing which obviously killed performance. So I guess the use on those v-6's were very well documented on www.probetalk.com but on duratecs it may be different
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Just paint your car yellow to get 55 extra HP & be done with it!
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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