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definitely an amazing movie. it really brought the other 2 movies together and the visuals were fantastic. the (several) endings were WAY TOO LONG. they could have ended the movie at the ceremony, but NO...we go to this place, and then back here, and then on another quest. enough already! and the acting king guy who went crazy and tried to burn himself and his son was very confusing. there wasn't a good explanation for WHY he was so crazy. i thought his whole character could have been cut and saved us about 15 minutes of confusion.
overall, 4 out of 5 stars from me and Courtney. it was just way too long.
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Originally posted by baco99:
and the acting king guy who went crazy and tried to burn himself and his son was very confusing. there wasn't a good explanation for WHY he was so crazy. i thought his whole character could have been cut and saved us about 15 minutes of confusion.
i think he had pretty much just given up all hope since his favorite son died in the first one, which is why he pretty much seemed crazy.
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Originally posted by baco99:
and the acting king guy who went crazy and tried to burn himself and his son was very confusing.
Ahhhh... Denethor, Steward of Gondor.
It was pretty disjointed in the movie. If you haven't seen the Two Towers Extended Edition, you'll be a little lost, as it touches on why he's gone this crazy.
It boils down to this- Denethor's oldest son, Boromir, was his pride and joy. He was hoping that Boromir would take the stewardship from him when it was time. Faramir, his youngest son, was basically nothing in his eyes. When The Horn of Gondor washed ashore with Boromir's body, Denethor basically lost his mind from sorrow at the loss of his son. He sent Faramir on what amounted to a suicide mission in hopes that it would turn out to be just that- the death of his less useful son. When Faramir was returned, at death's door, it pushed Denethor over the edge, partially realizing what he had done. So, in the fit of lunacy, he decided to light himself and Faramir on the pyre. You know what happened after that.
Hope that clears it up a bit... JaTo, if I'm off on this recap, please feel free to set it straight.
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I saw this movie friday night...
I'd have to say it is the longest movie I have ever seen...if you go better make sure you're comfortable because it is a good 3 hour movie.
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I saw it. Fortunately my brother is a walking library of LORT, having seen all the movies and read the books so he could fill me in on stuff I didn't understand. I thought the special effects were badass. Overall not a wasted few hours, although my ass was hurting towards the end.
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More than an hour was cut from the film to make the 3:20 run time for the theater.
How much gets added back in for the extended DVD version remains to be seen.
What is not explained about Denethor (at least in the theater release) is the fact that one of the palantir (seeing stones) is in his keeping... and he has been using it for quite some time... Sauron has corrupted Denethor's mind with images of the fall of Gondor.. Denethor has given up all hope. Boromir's death seals Gondor's fate as far as Denethor is concerned.... the final nail in the coffin, so to speak.
That is why he behaves as he does...
I think the scene of Denethor running (burning) from his pyre and jumping off the cliff was an unnecessary twist to the story (Shadowfax should not have kicked him back onto the pyre either, he should have burned willingly). Besides, he would have suffocated, fallen and burned long before reaching the cliff anyway... he was no super-human.
Apart from Denethor's cheesy-movie-death scene, I think the third film was very well done and it stuck more true to the original story than the first two films did.
Can't wait for the extended version  :)
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I agree that such a long ending after the film's climax is tiresome (for a movie... better to read the book)... but the story has so many characters and different plots within it that all need to be resolved. They could easily have spent another hour dealing with "Sharkey" and the scouring of the Shire and the hobbits becoming the sheriffs of the Shire etc. ... but how would a movie-going crowd accept it? Probably not well at all.
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i saw it...i kind of have mixed feelings. the battles were pretty sweet, but towards the end, i just wanted it over with.
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Went for the ssecond time yesterday, and it was just as awesome as the first time.
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I haven't seen ROTK yet, but I wonder what percentage of the movie-goers have read The Hobbit and the entire LOTR trilogy (and maybe even others - such as The Silmarillion). 
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PranQster -
Thanks! That was the information I needed. It seemed like he was in the beginning stages of the corruption that the other king went through in the second movie. I understood the part about the sons, but the part about the seeing stone and losing all hope should have been in the movie to keep us non-book-readers in the game.
Thanks!
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