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Just about nailed it except for one detail.
It was a combination of things. Denethor had been using one of the Palantir (Seeing Stones) of Feanor for quite some time; so had Sauron (the Minas Ithil stone I think...). Sauron had corrupted Denethor's mind just as he did Saruman's through the use of Ithil stone. Add Boromir's death combined with Faramir being seriously wounded to all of this, and you have your classical nutcase ready to torch himself.
I haven't seen ROTK yet (to be remedied in the next few days) but they are probably referring to Minas Ithil as Minas Morgul in the movie.
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Oooooooooooooooooh yeah! I forgot about that. If you want to know any of the... um.... missing parts, lemme know, and I'll gladly PM you.
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Originally posted by D Davis:
I haven't seen ROTK yet, but I wonder what percentage of the movie-goers have read The Hobbit and the entire LOTR trilogy (and maybe even others - such as The Silmarillion). 
I for one. I am a complete Tolkien geek and have read LOTR many times along with the Hobbit, Silmarillion, all 12 books on the history of Middle Earth, Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, etc., etc...
He has always been one of my favorite authors and I usually end up re-reading one of his books at least once a year.
If you ever need any info regarding his books, I'd be happy to delve further into it through PM's. 
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I saw it last night and I loved it! I didn't think it was any better than the second but the second and third blew away the first. I don't get where they go at the end? Are they going on another adventure? Other than that I loved it! What a trilogy! 
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Quote of the movie:
"Release the prisoners"
LMAO!
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Originally posted by dUbs-ThReE:
I don't get where they go at the end? Are they going on another adventure? Other than that I loved it! What a trilogy!
Sailing from the Grey Havens into the west isn't really explained well in the books either. Sailing into the west seems to be the equivilent of dying and going to the afterlife, except the characters don't die when they go there. The undying lands are a mythical place among the dwellers of Middle-earth as a final home for the elves... reminds me a little of the land of Avalon as related to the King Arthur legends.
Basically only the elves are allowed to sail to the undying lands. In the age described in the books, the elves live in only 3 communities..... Rivendell, Lothlorien, and the Grey Havens (where they control the sailing into the west).
The only exception to the 'elf-only' rule for sailing into the west is reserved for the bearers of the rings of power... being the 3 elven rings, the 7 dwarven rings, the 9 rings of men, and the One Ring of Power.... the 7 dwarven rings had been lost (read the book) so no dwarves could go. The 9 rings of men were lost with the destruction of the ringwraiths (not that they would be welcome anyway). The 3 elven rings were posessed by Galadriel (original bearer), Elrond (keeper, not original bearer) and Gandalf (keeper, not original bearer, even though he is not elven).
Technically, Sam was welcome to sail into the west as well since he carried the One Ring for a time.... I think he may have even taken a ship later in his life, I'll have to read it again.
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Originally posted by Trapps:
Quote of the movie:
"Release the prisoners"
LMAO!
I was hoping that catapult scene would be in the movie... and that quote to go with it was awesome
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Originally posted by PranQster:
Originally posted by dUbs-ThReE:
I don't get where they go at the end? Are they going on another adventure? Other than that I loved it! What a trilogy!
Sailing from the Grey Havens into the west isn't really explained well in the books either. Sailing into the west seems to be the equivilent of dying and going to the afterlife, except the characters don't die when they go there. The undying lands are a mythical place among the dwellers of Middle-earth as a final home for the elves... reminds me a little of the land of Avalon as related to the King Arthur legends.
Basically only the elves are allowed to sail to the undying lands. In the age described in the books, the elves live in only 3 communities..... Rivendell, Lothlorien, and the Grey Havens (where they control the sailing into the west).
The only exception to the 'elf-only' rule for sailing into the west is reserved for the bearers of the rings of power... being the 3 elven rings, the 7 dwarven rings, the 9 rings of men, and the One Ring of Power.... the 7 dwarven rings had been lost (read the book) so no dwarves could go. The 9 rings of men were lost with the destruction of the ringwraiths (not that they would be welcome anyway). The 3 elven rings were posessed by Galadriel (original bearer), Elrond (keeper, not original bearer) and Gandalf (keeper, not original bearer, even though he is not elven).
Technically, Sam was welcome to sail into the west as well since he carried the One Ring for a time.... I think he may have even taken a ship later in his life, I'll have to read it again.
Almost right... the "Grey Havens" are described in the book, just not the LOTR. The Silmarillion explained all about the history of the Elves, Men, etc. including where the Elves came from originally. It is not a mythical place at all, merely another land in which the Elves lived in before they came to Middle Earth. Pm me if you want any further info, since otherwise I'd hyjack this thread into a very long Tolkien history tangent 
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Thanks for the correction.... I started reading the Silmarillion, but did not get very far... picked it up a few times and put it back down again... getting less than 1/3 through the book. As far as "mythical", I meant more so to the other inhabitants of Middle-earth apart from the elves. I tried listening to the audio CD version of the Silmarillion (found on suprnova.org/bittorrent) and found it much worse (to pay attention to) than the book. Glad I only burned the first CD, because I would have wasted about 12 more discs
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Originally posted by PranQster:
Thanks for the correction.... I started reading the Silmarillion, but did not get very far... picked it up a few times and put it back down again... getting less than 1/3 through the book.
As far as "mythical", I meant more so to the other inhabitants of Middle-earth apart from the elves.
I tried listening to the audio CD version of the Silmarillion (found on suprnova.org/bittorrent) and found it much worse (to pay attention to) than the book. Glad I only burned the first CD, because I would have wasted about 12 more discs
Yeah, the Silmarillion is kinda hard to get into. By far the most detailed book that I have read (the glossary is as long as the book itself  ), but its worth it if you can handle it. The number of characters alone can make it a little confusing if you don't continually check the family charts to see who is who. I can't do the audio book thing, I think that I'm too much of a visual learner
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