Originally posted by Kermithefrog:
I don't get car and driver, and I wouldn't call one source a definitive answer...



If you have a better, more comprehensive source that has tested thousands of cars by the same method--whose staggering majority of test results have 5-60 street-start lagging 0-60--then, by all means, bring it. For now, it seems all you have is conjecture. Gotta do better than that, and test data is a start.

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Anyways that wasn't my answer at all, that was just a reply to his comment about 0-60 vs. 5-60 times while we were really just discussing the 0-60 aspect of things at first...



I don't care what your comment was in response to. It was erroneous based on reams of data and you're being called on it.

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5-60 brings other factors in to play as well, not just the launch, which is what this is all about. And how do you know how they do their 5-60 times? They may do these a certain way to not try to make them be the fastest possible 5-60s, just a way to compare what a car does in real life situations.



C&D is quite transparent on how they extract their test data. Every now and again they run an article outlining exactly how and why they test the way they do. I don't feel like digging one of those articles out of my archives tonight, and, besides, it would probably be beneficial for you to dig one up for yourself. C&D's aim in conducting the 5-60 street start test is to help typify a real-world launch without the mega-rpm clutch-drop, tire-roasting hysterics which gives many vehicles an instant advantage. Five mph is picked because it's an easy speed to maintain regardless of shift type...all they do is nail the throttle--controlling wheelspin where necessary--and shift/drive normally as in any other acceleration run.

Torque-rich motors hooked to slushboxes generally have less disparity between 0-60 and 5-60 times as do high-winding, low-torque mills hooked to manual gearboxes, for obvious reasons (I assume no explanation is needed here?). They don't--as you imply--intentionally try to make 5-60 times slower...they are slower because that's the way it is.

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