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I rather think technology and the ability to turn right once and a while speaks for itself in racing. Speaking of getting educated: http://www.f1technical.net/topic6.htmlIt's more of a primer, but it gets the point across that NASCAR as compared to F1 in terms of technology use and is in the Stone Age, especially if DOHC engines are just starting to make inroads into the sport. It's technology that allows lighter, faster, more maneuverable and better braking vehicles that push the abilities of the human driver closer and closer to their limits. NASCAR seems more intent on engineering dramatic wrecks than actual racing, or have they not packed the field tighter than ever and made it damn-well next to impossible for a stand-out driver, car and crew to really shine? Also, the stresses and strains put upon the driver and car in non-oval track racing are much greater in most series as compared to NASCAR. I'm a pushrod fan as well, but it's the application of it and hillbilly "glam" factor of NASCAR that makes me want to retch; it's like watching WWF on wheels. To be fair, though, if F1 did almost nothing but oval tracks, it would also instantly appear on my "most-hated" list. If I want to watch something go round and round in circles and occasionally explode, flip or crash, I'd tie a lit roman candle to a broomstick and whirl it around as it would offer more excitement. WRC, F1, Le Mans, CART, etc. That is racing to me. NASCAR? I've tried to get it, I've tried to like it and to this day it comes off like most events that are considered "entertainment" here in the States: more bravado than substance, cheap, tacky, dull, ponderous, pretentious and ultimately mind-numbingly boring. It's lost its soul, its grit and has mostly become the "Barbie" of racing events in my mind... ...and don't ask how I REALLY feel about it, either. 
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Originally posted by SmoothSVT:
I don't see how you can say they do good on road coursesI really don't. Watkens Glen this year was the biggest joke of a road race I've ever seen. It's was like a bunch of little kids crashing into each other on a go-kart track. Not to mention the fact that several teams switch drivers for the road courses, which shows the degree of which, these guys have absolutley no idea what the hell they're doing. Boris Said walks in and starts whipping those oval idiots all over the course. Ridiculous
Well they are used to oval tracks, so what do you expect, I never said the drivers are good, but the cars are quite capable of road tracks. I belief jeff gordon and schumacher or someone switched cars one day for some show or magazine and the nascar was running pretty close to what schumacher's car ran, and gordon actually drove schumacher's car to almost the same as schumacher's best times at that track.
Yeah, technology in nascar is less than F1 but there is still A HUGE amount used in making nascars (and making them faster,etc.) though the rules limit what they can do and make it more of a driver's competition,, which is, to me, often more exciting than other races. Just because the technology is different, and implented differently, doesn't mean there isn't a lot of technology present in nascar. I'd like to see even the best car tuners on this site make a car that would be competitive in nascar.... not gonna happen.
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The only good thing nascar ever did was "Days of Thunder" and I would have liked it much better if it had been based on INDY, but I was a little kid and knew nothing of Nascar racing so it was ok for me to love the movie. 
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actually - it wasnt schumi - it was pablo montoya= and no jeff did not drive even close to his times- IIRC he was about 4 sec off per lap - and juans impression of the flamer mobile- he thought it "nice"
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APT, knowledgeable post though I will clarify a couple of issues. First the '72 truck reference was to the trailing arms (during a broadcast they'll sometimes call them "truck arms"  "), not brakes.
It *is* impressive that NASCAR can keep steel brakes effective at places like Martinsville for 3 hours. Having been there twice, it's quite a sight. I will, however, disagree that this is more taxing than braking from 200 mph on the Mulsanne twice per lap for 24 hours.
NASCAR races are interesting, no doubt. But my statements here are solely a resonse to the asinine bunk from Kremit. For example,
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NASCAR uses more technology than you'll probably see in street cars in the next 15 years.
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The V8s they use are more technologically advanced that just about any other v8.
NASCAR isn't my favorite form of racing (save for twice per year), but it beats figure skating.
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Originally posted by bigMoneyRacing:
APT, knowledgeable post though I will clarify a couple of issues. First the '72 truck reference was to the trailing arms (during a broadcast they'll sometimes call them "truck arms" "), not brakes.
It *is* impressive that NASCAR can keep steel brakes effective at places like Martinsville for 3 hours. Having been there twice, it's quite a sight. I will, however, disagree that this is more taxing than braking from 200 mph on the Mulsanne twice per lap for 24 hours.
NASCAR races are interesting, no doubt. But my statements here are solely a resonse to the asinine bunk from Kremit. For example,
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NASCAR uses more technology than you'll probably see in street cars in the next 15 years.
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The V8s they use are more technologically advanced that just about any other v8.
NASCAR isn't my favorite form of racing (save for twice per year), but it beats figure skating.
So does jumping out of a 10-story building.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
After a while I just quit arguing with people, especially when they don't look at the facts and just bad mouth something because they don't like it.
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
I belief jeff gordon and schumacher or someone switched cars one day for some show or magazine and the nascar was running pretty close to what schumacher's car ran, and gordon actually drove schumacher's car to almost the same as schumacher's best times at that track.
You're making this too easy...
That would be Juan Pablo Montoya. He and Gordon swapped cars to run the road course at Indy as publicity for the USGP in September.
Gordon lapped 1.3 seconds slower in Montoya's Williams/BMW; Montoya was 1.1 slower in Gordon's Chevy.
The best time set by Gordon in his own car was a 1:38.8; the best time from Montoya in his own car was a 1:15.2. "Somewhat close" was 23 seconds slower, over a 30% difference.
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You're making this too easy...
That would be Juan Pablo Montoya. He and Gordon swapped cars to run the road course at Indy as publicity for the USGP in September.
Gordon lapped 1.3 seconds slower in Montoya's Williams/BMW; Montoya was 1.1 slower in Gordon's Chevy.
The best time set by Gordon in his own car was a 1:38.8; the best time from Montoya in his own car was a 1:15.2. "Somewhat close" was 23 seconds slower, over a 30% difference.
There is no doubt that Montoya was alot quicker but, Back to my statement earlier. COuld Montoya runs those laps with 40 other cars on the track? Maybe. Would he make it the whole race? Odds are no.
How many other racing sports put 40 to 42 cars on the same track that are only seperated buy a second (sometimes more). Knowing that if you make one wrong move you have in your hands the lives of so many other people?
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No matter how you cut it.... NASCAR still has a huge amount of technology and is much more entertaining than a lot of other types of races,,, and attracts more people too, but I guess all nascar lovers are just stupid hicks, but I believe they're all satisfied with watching cars going ~200mph with 40-45 cars on the track for hours... especially since their old truck could do the same thing. 
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I'd rather watch European Truck Racing.
I'd rather watch Lawn Mower racing.
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