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Originally posted by JonnySVT:
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Though pipe length, to an extent isn't really gonna affect you at all.



I though you were smarter than that....piping size in general, including very important length. is going to decide your fate. Oh well, like I said, talking to a wall.And on a side note, you did say true CAI, not good CAI, that's why I asked.



The only good CAI is going to be a true CAI. Though technically not always cold air, as the ambient air may be warm, but anything is better than under the hood air.
And there is something you don't seem to realize. With a contour, you are only going to be able to fit so much pipe in there for an intake. Of course if you route it to the back of your car then back to the front, it's gonna affect you. But when building an intake, you're really not going to exceed the length that would harm you. I can back my statememnt by showing you pics of the few existing CAIs and how little room you have to work with.... you can back your idea with your opinion about pipe length,, I bet you even have some set number in your head for how long it can be.


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Yeah, that's it....it has to be...12.231437 mm or else it will not flow at all. Like I said...talking to a wall. I don't like talking to closed minded people, so I'll just quit while I'm only frustrated. This particular intake, on another note, is not too shabby looking. The carbon fiber is a nice idea for both looks and function, but I do not see spending $110 on the pipes, $75 on a primary intake pipe, and so on. I'll just make a heatshield first and wait to see what kind of numbers these things are showing before I even think about it.


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Originally posted by JonnySVT:
but I do not see spending $110 on the pipes, $75 on a primary intake pipe, and so on. I'll just make a heatshield first and wait to see what kind of numbers these things are showing before I even think about it.




its actually not a bad idea when people like me have zetecs, and the only real option for a ram air costs $160...

then put together the fact that I bought it about 5 months ago...so i really don't look at it as spending over $200 on an intake because it wasn't all at the same time.

After all, if you want gains...gotta spend that money!


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So now you want ram air?! I see the benefit on the zetec because that is like your only option, but this is the duratec forum, so I assumed we were all talking about the Duratec. And I know I have to spend money for hp, but you gotta look at the $$/hp ratio and decide whether it is worth it for yourself or not.


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Originally posted by JonnySVT:
So now you want ram air?! I see the benefit on the zetec because that is like your only option, but this is the duratec forum, so I assumed we were all talking about the Duratec. And I know I have to spend money for hp, but you gotta look at the $$/hp ratio and decide whether it is worth it for yourself or not.




no no i already have a ram air setup right now...I'm just looking for as much gain as possible from my intake setup...and I really see this as an only option.

Plus with Duratec people, the intake options are cheaper so for the price I paid for my short ram...I could see you with a CAI intake setup.

Still sounds like a good idea to me and has a good HP/money ratio...but hey, its ur car and u have the choice to spend $$$ on whatever setup you'd like.


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Originally posted by Ronan:
~I think an advantage to this particular product is its remote location from the engine. My car suffers really bad from heat soak, I easily loose 10+hp sitting in traffic, I can feel it. At least with this lower bumper mounting, it wont pull in so much hot air, and will probably give you more 'useable' power increases over a standard induction kit. Cant wait to see the dyno runs, and we will all learn something from that.




Did you get a CAI too Ronan?? Wow, hitting the mod burst hard

IMHO, if a CAI shows an increase on a dyno then it should actually get a slightly better gain on the street where the engine bay is cooking and the intake is still taking in ambent air. I likey

I am using a 3L UIM, so I might have to fabricate my own


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Originally posted by JonnySVT:
Yeah, that's it....it has to be...12.231437 mm or else it will not flow at all. Like I said...talking to a wall. I don't like talking to closed minded people, so I'll just quit while I'm only frustrated. This particular intake, on another note, is not too shabby looking. The carbon fiber is a nice idea for both looks and function, but I do not see spending $110 on the pipes, $75 on a primary intake pipe, and so on. I'll just make a heatshield first and wait to see what kind of numbers these things are showing before I even think about it.



Well it's the same way talking to you... You just don't seem to get it. There is basically no way unless your an idiot to put too MUCH piping in CAI setup on a contour... but believe what you want. Heat shields help a little,, very little. A CAI gets 11whp on a 130hp engine... ooo well.. Of course the intake has to be designed good, I'm not saying just getting the filter outta the engine bay will do anything for you... but your point about intake pipe length on OUR CARS is moot,, there is no way unless you're trying to build a bad setup to put too much piping in there.... What matters is pipe diameter and how smooth the turns/curves are. THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!!


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i like the cf mandrel bends of the piping man. . .screw hp gains and everything.

But, alas, I've decided it's better to keep the filter covered up when your outside air temp's can hit 120+F in summers here in Houston. . .too much power loss to justify. . .I think?

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Do you think your underhood temps are actually less than your outside temps??? Getting it outta there will cool it a little. When you're driving there really isn't a huge difference in intake temp from outside temp, but with a CAI it'll be helped a little, and a little may be enough to make a difference.


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Ok, I see where you're going with this Kremit. You win, on OUR CARS it can't get too bad with length. I was on a different page. I was talking overall concept. Hell, maybe I'll buy one later when they come out with the CF pipe, but until then, no use in sticking a long aluminum pipe underneath the hood for it to heat up. I can't believe I'm admitting a loss to Kremit...oh well, arguing is fun and somebody has to lose. I'll get you someday. Somebody should probably get one though to test it out. One thing that is not for certain though is your comment that a 130hp engine will see 11whp...there are many variables that come into play. maybe you should say, there are significant gains to be had.


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