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I didn't see any water dripping from my exhaust the other day, but I drove somewhere today, and when I looked at the exhaust on my way back into the car, you could clearly see water, and a large puddle under the exhaust, on the ground.
Your car has catalytic convertors! They clean up the exhaust and as a byproduct produce CO2 and H2O.
Carbon dioxide and water ! The water is in the form of water vapor. On warm days you wonā??t see it. As the temperature drops, the water vapor condenses and is visible as a what appears to be steam. If it is cold enough outside, the vapor will condense into a liquid form and will be visible as water on the ground if you sit idleing in one place long enough! THIS IS NORMAL FOR A CAR WITH CATALYTIC CONVERTORS AND IS A SIGN THE CATS ARE OPERATING CORRECTLY!!!
(And yes, Iā??m yelling.)
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Gas dryer is just pure alcohol, usually methanol.
Some are, some arenā??t. See below
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Most rubbing alcohol is 70% isopropyl alchohol, and 30% water. ... That'd still be 9% water.
No it is not 9% water It is a solution of water and alchohol with the capacity to absorb even more water into solution.
Websters Dictionary:
ā?? SOLUTION (noun) A homogenous mixture formed by dissolving one or more susbstances, whether solid, liquid or gaseous, in another susbstance, and whose composition may undergo continuous variation within certain limits.ā? (emphasis by your truly.)
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Rubbing alcohol works.... But that was done on a carb'd 76 302 so I cannot take fault for anything done to a SFI engine.
It still works!
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I did spend the night at one of the girls' that worked there place that night.
Every cloud has its silver lining!! 
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Stuff is hard on fuel injector seats and other parts under pressure in the fuel system.
From below: ..."treatments used for gas-line antifreeze do not come close to the alcohol level necessary to cause any problems."
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Keep your tank filled up when it's real cold and you wouldn't have a water condensation problem.
VERY TRUE!
FYI, from the Gold Eagle website:
http://www.goldeagle.com/cartips/gasanti1.htm
"Gas-line Antifreeze: Avoid Freeze-up Hassles
Historically, gas-line antifreeze products, or gas dryers as they are often called, have been one of three types - methanol, isopropanol or detergent bases. Methanol based products such as HEETĀ® Gas- Line Antifreeze and Water Remover are the lowest cost of the three and probably do the most good when the temperature falls suddenly. Methanol based additives mix with water and cause some water to separate from the gasoline and remain in the bottom of the tank (below the gas-line intake level) instead of going into the fuel system. It will mix with the remaining water to prevent it from freezing and allow it to be burned in the combustion chamber. Thus no ice forms in the fuel line, the vehicle performs well and the driver is not bothered by freeze-up hassles.
The most effective gas dryers are the ISO (isopropyl alcohol) products. ISO will pick-up and disperse more water (actually five times more) than methanol based gas-line antifreeze. Ideally, the user should add a couple of bottles of an ISO product like Iso-HEETĀ® Premium Fuel System Dryer and Antifreeze in each of two successive tankfuls in the late fall. This will clean out the water that might have condensed over the summer by consuming it in the fuel. For extra protection over the winter period, using a methanol product during cold snaps takes care of any small amounts of condensation that may accumulate between the ISO treatments and the cold period.
The third type of gas-line antifreeze product is a detergent such as a gas treatment or fuel injector cleaner. Although these products are formulated mainly for other purposes, they can help a little if used regularly. Detergents will disperse very small amounts of water in very fine "particles" to allow some of the water to be consumed along with the fuel. This is good if the user keeps water to a minimum by constant use of the gas treatment or fuel injector cleaner prior to the onset of cold weather. However, these products do not prevent water in the gasoline from freezing.
Owners of cars with fuel injectors have sometimes been reluctant to use normal gas-line antifreeze. This fear is based on the concern that large amounts (10% or more) of some alcohol's can cause damage to fuel injector systems. Fortunately, treatments used for gas-line antifreeze do not come close to the alcohol level necessary to cause any problems. Thus, gas-line antifreeze prevents freeze-up hassles now and will not harm your fuel system later (remember, HEET has been around for 50 years).
Some people think gas-line antifreeze is only necessary in older vehicles. Thatā??s not true. Ice forms due to weather conditions, not the age of a gas line. Whether your car is new or old, cold is cold."
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Your car has catalytic convertors! They clean up the exhaust and as a byproduct produce CO2 and H2O.
Carbon dioxide and water !
Catalytic converters have nothing to do with it. H2O is a natural byproduct of burning any hydrocarbon (e.g. gasoline).
HEET anti freeze in the yellow bottle is methanol. HEET in the red bottle is isopropyl. Each costs about $0.69
HEET isopropyl still has it's affinity for water. Drug store rubbing alcohol will not work because it's been saturated with water.
'98 LS MTX
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Catalytic converters have nothing to do with it. H2O is a natural byproduct of burning any hydrocarbon (e.g. gasoline).
A small amount of water is the byproduct of combustion, the majority of which comes from water vapor already in the air used in combustion process. However the vast majority does come from the catalytic conversion process!
A catalytic convertor removes the pollutant gases from the exhaust by reducing or oxidising them. Precious metals are used as catalysts in the process, like an alloy of platinum and rhodium (35% and 73% respectively in US). Palladium metal may also be the choice.
Reactions (heterogenous catalysis) take place in the convertor. Both NOx and CO are eliminated together by a redox reaction on rhodium catalyst. NOx oxidises CO to CO2, and is reduced to harmless nitrogen gas (N2).
2NO(g)+ 2CO(g) pasing over rhodium= N2(g)+2CO2(g) (reduction and oxidation process)
CO and CxHy are oxidised by air on platinum catalyst. (C7H16 is used to represent the unburnt hydrocarbon)
2CO(g)+O2(g)passing over platinum= 2CO2(g) (oxidation process)
C7H16(g)+11O2(g) passing over platinum= 7CO2(g)+8H2O(g) (also oxidation process)
For all these reactions to happen, the convertor is designed as a 'three-way convertor' and has an oxygen monitor fitted to the engine. The monitor checks the quantity of oxygen into the engine to make sure there is enough oxygen in carrying out oxidation reactions.
The overall result of passing exhaust gases through the catalytic chamber is to convert the harmful CO, NOx and CxHy to relatively harmless N2, CO2 and H2O . Though the exhaust gases are in contact with the catalyst for only 100 to 400 ms, 96% of hydrocarbons and CO are converted to CO2 and H2O . The emission of nitrogen oxides is reduced by 76%.
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Drug store rubbing alcohol will not work because it's been saturated with water.
No, it is not saturated with water at that point. To prove it, put some in a glass and add water!
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Originally posted by Stevedrivr:
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Catalytic converters have nothing to do with it. H2O is a natural byproduct of burning any hydrocarbon (e.g. gasoline).
A small amount of water is the byproduct of combustion, the majority of which comes from water vapor already in the air used in combustion process. However the vast majority does come from the catalytic conversion process! ....................................................................
The overall result of passing exhaust gases through the catalytic chamber is to convert the harmful CO, NOx and CxHy to relatively harmless N2, CO2 and H2O . Though the exhaust gases are in contact with the catalyst for only 100 to 400 ms, 96% of hydrocarbons and CO are converted to CO2 and H2O . The emission of nitrogen oxides is reduced by 76%.
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Drug store rubbing alcohol will not work because it's been saturated with water.
No, it is not saturated with water at that point. To prove it, put some in a glass and add water!
larsofvt,
Not tryin' to jump down your throat,
just settin' the record straight.
No hard feelins'?
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Sooo, is it normal to get a HUGE puddle of water out of my exuast? That has been doing that since I bought my contour in the summer... and Ive refilled gas in it many times now. Even if I idle for about 5 Minutes in my driveway, that will form a huge puddle of water... Yet the engine seems to run fine
Former owner of a 1995 Ford Contour GL w/ 2.0L ATX
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Originally posted by KevContour:
Sooo, is it normal to get a HUGE puddle of water out of my exuast? That has been doing that since I bought my contour in the summer... and Ive refilled gas in it many times now. Even if I idle for about 5 Minutes in my driveway, that will form a huge puddle of water... Yet the engine seems to run fine
How big is "HUGE"? Are we talking a cup, a pint, a gallon?
A 3 inch circle, a 3 foot circle? Does it smell like anti freeze, or is your coolant level droping? (sign of a head gasket leak.) A little more info is needed here.
As I pointed out, it is entirely normal for water to drip out of the exhaust of a catalytic converter equiped car. Especially when idling at first start up. The exhaust piping is not heated at that point and the water will actualy condense inside the pipes and drip out the tailpipe.
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THIS IS NORMAL FOR A CAR WITH CATALYTIC CONVERTORS AND IS A SIGN THE CATS ARE OPERATING CORRECTLY!!!
(And yes, Iā??m yelling.)
But no, I wasn't yelling at you, Kari!
I just get a little crazy sometimes about dis-information and when the moon is full!
Steve B.
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What year is your car? I would recommend replacing the gas filter if it is over 70K miles.
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Originally posted by Chickens:
Religion can't do much for ashholes (unless you are an alterboy)
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Doesnt have any smell, and can get over a cup of liquid. sometimes it comes out a little black. but most time just clear, My coolant range is fine, and I just replaced my head gasket! Dont say head gasket leak! (also leaked b4 head gasket change) again, its been doing that since summer, of when I bought it. it leaves a mess all over my driveway though
Former owner of a 1995 Ford Contour GL w/ 2.0L ATX
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