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you may wanna talk to brad noon about the guy doing a 2.5L or 3.0L swap with a T5 transmission thats going into a merkur. Im sure they could give you some pointers, at least with the bellhousing bolting up to the block.
Jim Hahn
1996 T-Red Contour SE Reborn 4/6/04
3.0L swap and Arizona Dyno Chip Turbo Kit
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Originally posted by Big Poppa:
the big problem with this is if your a mod freak and you have a 5.0 then you will prolly get it to put out unreal number for it being in a tour and then when you drop the hammer off the line you will twist the unibody apart... just my concern
Very real fear. I'd be afraid that the goo-gobs of torque would twist the chassis like a candy cane; and it wouldn't freshen your breath as well as a candy cane either. 
Contang sounds dirty. Mustour sounds like mustard. How about "Holy crap that granny ride's got a 5.0!!!"  Yeap, that'll do. 
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Let's see it.
Hector
2003 Rally Red Mitsubishi Evolution VIII
257HP/259TQ
2005 Lapis Blue Mazda 6s
RET: 00 Cabernet Red Ford Contour Zetec ATX SUPERCHARGED
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Originally posted by unisys12:
1) Would cutting on the underbody, to make room for the tranny and driveshaft, create structurial instabliety? Could this be avoided by someone doing the welding that knows what they are doing?
2) Would this project call for custom subframes? I am sure it would, but since I have never been able to weld, all that sort of still scares the crap out of me. 
I dont believe that the amount that would have to be modded would hurt any as long as you left the frame looking things alone. If you were to put some kind of subframe connector along the bottom of the car then connect the two sides together you would probably have it end up being stronger then stock, if not a bit heavier. 
Im sure it would call for subframes. The rear would have to be IRS as well, unless you really want to remove the entire rear floorpan. There isnt enough room under the car to fit a solid axle and be able to give it any kind of compression or articulation. The pumpkin would quickly create a nice dent in the floor. ....so, IRS. Its going to be hard to use IRS with upper control arms too. That rules out the new Mustangs. Perhaps Corvette? You can pick up a Corvette rear subframe with the torque brace for $800-$1000. The brace would probably help to transfer the lifting more near the tail of the trans instead of where the fuel tank was.
The steering rack will most likely need to be moved so you now need to figure out how to suspend the front of the car. Perhaps you can modify a Mustang front subframe and then build some intermediate plates to make it bolt to the Contour. If that wont work, you will have to build a custom front subframe. Perhaps you can follow the Mustang's suspension geometry and copy it to the new subframe?
My friend and I have thought about this project quite a bit. We were planning on using a turbocharged Zetec, a T-5 and obviously the Corvette rear. We never thought into the project enough to figure out a front suspension, but Id stick to Corvette again to make it all the same. My reasoning for the Zetec was that with a Zetec/MTX computer, you could do some electrical trickery and make the car *think* it was still FWD. All your guages would still work as stock, and when it came time for emissions, they would just plug the OBD-II scanner in under the dash. 
In the long run, I figured that there is a reason shops do this but charge people their first born. Instead I picked up my ClubCab for $200 and am going to mod it. Its already RWD, it already has Chrysler's strongest tranny, a decent axle, and a good engine (that runs). Best of all, I can haul parts in it. 
Cliff Notes: Even if he is giving you the labor, it is still going to cost a fortune and youll run the risk of having him mess up and end up totaling the car. 
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After some talking with some CEG'rs I am going to throw the RWD option out the door for now. Too many issues for the conversion, it will be a task to get the 5.0/T5 combo in there.
But then you have a FWD monster.
And to those who brought up twisting the uni-body frame, I have been contemplating that issue to..Because this powerplant is going to at least be thowing 250 to the wheels. And for a not to much of upgrade around 2000 you can make it throw upwards of 400 down.
I've got to do more research because if I don't do this it's Mazda Protege 5 time.
Jason
00 Audi S4, 2.7 Bi-turbo quattro
01 S10 Xtreme, 4.3l
98' Contour SE with some mods
96 Cavalier (beater)
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i have tons of mustang parts laying around my dads shop...lemmie know if you need any...
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Originally posted by LoudnQuik:
I've got to do more research because if I don't do this it's Mazda Protege 5 time.
the mp5 is a great car; a bit slow though. But it does handle on a dime, very rev happy, and looks good too IMO. personally i like the mp3 better and it comes with 17% stiffer suspension or something like that, but the mp5 was only available through my dad's 1 year managers lease.
Jim Hahn
1996 T-Red Contour SE Reborn 4/6/04
3.0L swap and Arizona Dyno Chip Turbo Kit
364 whp, 410 wtq @ 4,700 rpm
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for the RWD conversion, the car would benefit from a rollcage and some type of substructure.
that would help stiffen it up allow it to take the torque.
IRS can also be taken out of late model t-birds.
its a big chance to take.
look at it from the aspect of how much you are willing to lose.
cuz if it doesnt work, your out some green and a car.
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I'm thinking you might need another doner car, a Merkur XR4Ti, as I've seen the 5.0L in there as well and its also RWD as you know 
This would have to be the largest undertaking done to a Contour, period