exactly, in 1997 i bought a brand new 97 ford contour gl. the only options it had were power windows and locks and it was a stick, i paid 21,000 for it. even cars up there are over priced a svt the next year would cost you over 25,000 new. shoot milk is like 4.00 a gallon right now and cigs are almost 5.00 a pack. i am going back in january to pick my daughter up and i am bringing everything and staying with friends. i dont wanna pay another 80.00 a night to sleep in someone elses urin. cause 80.00 a night thats all it will get ya for a hotel room even off season.