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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Originally posted by DJ_SpaRky:
230 - 240 whp isn't alot for a 4 cyl, check out the nissan SR20DET or CA18DET, both capable of running upwards of 600 hp on a stock bottom end.
PS, Do you like to Crank your windows??
No hatin' here, just my $.02.
SRT4 stock block handles 1000hp or more, they don't do anything to the block to use in the pro drag races. They said it saves them money and time so they really like it. I'll let ya'll know how I like the srt-4 after my friend gets his and I drive it. 
So does the GM ecotec motor, 2.2L in most configurations and the stock block handles 1000HP.
Plus it is a hell of a lot cheaper.
The dodge motor is nice but it is a boosted factory motor with too small of a turbo. I think with a fair sized turbo it would be chugging out much more power.
Comparing it to a HIGHLY efficient naturally aspirated motor is a stupid unfair comparison. Unless it is based upon power output per fuel input. This method shows the engine's efficiency and you can compare more effectively. Another way is with the weight of the power plant versus power out, or all 3 methods.
The differnce of 2.4 vs. 2.5L with 240(or around there) and 200 HP respectivly sounds totally in the SRT's favor until you look that there is less fuel used in the N/A motor and that the total engine package weight is probably about the same. The N/A motor is simpler too without the added reliability issues of a few more mechanical parts.
If you start quoting the modded engine numbers then remember that modded SVT 2.5L's are making 230-240 crank HP versus probably 280-300 (just averages) leaning in the SRT's favor.
If you factor cost to mod then it is definitely in the SRT's favor.
I can only say that we all fell victim to another troll and that this argument will end up going nowhere as the last 2 or 3 arguments have!!
Of course I still like to have my say and in the end it is he who is looking in the rearview mirror at the other guy that wins this particular contest.
I know I don't have an average contour, but as I said before if I'm rolling or in a race from 0 to 120 then probably 1 in 1000 SRT's is going to pass me by.... at least as long as I keep the boost raised! 
Former owner of '99 CSVT - Silver #222/2760
356/334 wHP/TQ at 10psi on pump gas!
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you think you can beat a SRT4 around a track with a stock suspensioned contour?
and on another note
I test drove a srt4 two weeks ago. vs my contour it was faster, braked better but did not out handle it. And my svt still has the factory suspension at 97,xxx. So it needs to be replaced soon.
the neon had more backseat room, but the contour was more comfortable. The dials were easier to reach in the tour.
overall both cars are really nice for driving. Both have suspensions that when regular driving is required they act like their normal less impressive brothers. But with both cars, when you push them. They push back and scream GIVE ME MORE [censored].
on a sad note, I might be selling my svt to my dad for the a srt4.
The srt4 would just cream the [censored] out of the svt in stoplight racing. And that right now is what i'm looking for.
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I'd just like to point out, I do not use my car to wow chicks so that point is moot.
That's what my penis is for.
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Former Car: Black '98 CSVT, #3137/6535 "The Unluckiest car.. ever"
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They are both nice cars, yet the svt wasnt meant to be a pocket rocket like the srt.
Also, why compare hp and leave out torque?
The srt makes 245-250 ft-lbs at the wheels.
Duratec isnt near that much.
Those with money can put it into a 3L, which I would do also, yet for a brand new car for 20,999, with a lsd, equal length half shafts, and almost every other part upgraded, it cant be beat.
....until the next econo pocket rocket comes out and takes the spotlight
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This is still going??? Oh wait....... Tastes Great!!!
2000 WS6 Convertible A4 13.11 @ 107.5 with a lid, Ram Air and LTs
Gone:95 Mystique LS Young America edition V6, MTX 15.6 @ 91
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Less Filling!!
(had to be said, to perpetuate this inexorable post ghost)
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man i love contours but the srt def has the biggest bang for the buck. my friend has a 03 w/ nothing done but a set of 18's w/ nittos a wastegate spring and a CAI. and he turned 13.3s in the 108 range. not sure what the boost was set at but he is a damn good driver too.
this last summer at the sport compact nationals in norwalk oh there was a factory rep w/ 4 srt's. 3 were running 14.0s at 101 consistently stock and one w/ straight exhaust and a smaller wheel tire combo running 13.5s at 104.
i would love to see more tours out there spanking those damn things. i mean they're nothing more than neons w/ a hairdryer right?!?
btw. i definately have a 4G64 in my 94 mitsubeater pickup
and its a SOHC motor at that. just to let u know where alot of them come from (the internals make for good stroker kits for the other dsm motors tho)
96 SE 2.5L MTX for Sale check the classifieds
0-60 in 3.4 now(skidoo formula III 700) 165hp 3cyl
i got more done to my sled than u do to your car
12sec all motor H22 stroker
94 accord in progress... looking for 280-300hp outta 2.56 L
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Originally posted by SErico96:
i would love to see more tours out there spanking those damn things. i mean they're nothing more than neons w/ a hairdryer right?!?
Neon chassis (which is a well made modern platform) with a hair dryer, bigger brakes than an SVT Focus, and more power than most Contours will ever see with more on tap rediculously cheap... wsh I could say the same for the SVT Focus
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SRT owners - question for you: I was at dodge buying the wife a Grand Caravan over the weekend (30k for a minivan  , actually only 24k with rebate and friends and family program but still...) and sat in the SRT-4 while they were doing paperwork. Are the ass-side-bolsters (name?) adjustable? I'm no lard ass, (6'1" at 205 lbs) but I swear my butt didn't even touch the bottom of the seat, I was totally sitting on the bolsters and it was damn uncomfortable. Besides that the interior was pretty nice - loved the center console bezel, nice gauges, okay shifter but not totally thrilled by it. Totally respectable car for 20k dollars. Heck, our recently traded in 96 Neon Sedan with 2.slow SOHC automatic retailed at 14k when new!
97 Contour SE MTX
K&N 3530, UR UDP, 19# Injectors, mystery mod, FMS wires, Fordchip.com chip, SVT: TB, Flywheel, clutch, exhaust
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The SRT is growing on me. I finally heard one in person at the bank the other day, it was blue (new color?) and sounded VERY nice. Deep and throaty! Interior is much nicer than other neons I have sat in. Also there was a recent SCC article on one, they deleted the wing, lowered and painted it Hemi Orange with CF hood and flat black accents with black wheels. Absolutely hot looking
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