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Originally posted by Tim:
No disrespect to Ford, but I've seen slightly lower numbers than the ones given in a naturally aspirated LS1 with modest internal modifications (springs, camshaft, retainors), exhaust headers, X-pipe, and SLP intake lid. The supercharger is awesome, and for modding what can be better than free factory boost on an already high displacement factory engine, however Ford is falling behind, IMHO. The battle of the pushrods versus the overhead cams is ending up in favor of the engine with the longer stroke.

I seriously hope the next generation Cobra engine will be as good of a contender as the new generation GM engines. These guys up in Ford can produce amazing 4V/c, DOHC all alluminum engines like the Duratec on the low end of their product line, yet on the higher end it takes boost to silence their competition ?

On that thought, though, it beats the hell out of what I drive!

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No disrespect to you but are you high? "Oh, my car makes slightly more power than your Ford with ancient technology."
"Yeah, and my car costs half as much and with $500 in mods you won't touch it."

IMHO Ford is finally DOING their homework and I'm happy.


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Actually, yes I am high!

However, regardless, that is not the reason for the post. I love my blue oval as much as the next (interior and design quality comes to my mind first for Ford above all other domestic contenders), however after taking a ride in a 98 Z28 t-tops putting down 400 to the wheels (and, yes, I saw the dyno sheet!) with nothing more than a few thousand in modifications installed at a local shop, I seriously don't understand why people put too much emphasis on the Cobra's supercharged 4.6L vs the GM naturally aspirated 5.7L LS1.

Perhaps when the Cobra's go into preowned and drop about 15 grand from their fair market value (which they won't for probably another good 10 years since the 03 and 04's SVT's mean the end of a model generation) then I'll start appreciating something that's within my reach of affording.

BTW, no disrespect intended for those on this board who own Cobra's; if you've got the $$$, spend it!

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Originally posted by chknhwk:


No disrespect to you but are you high? "Oh, my car makes slightly more power than your Ford with ancient technology."
"Yeah, and my car costs half as much and with $500 in mods you won't touch it."

IMHO Ford is finally DOING their homework and I'm happy.




BTW, what are you talking about ? Cobra's cost far, far more than Z28's did when they were new. With the money you saved, you could do mods to the car that would put it far beyond the reach of even some heavily modified supercharged Cobra's. Have you ever watched a supercharged LS1 take off ?

Corvette all the way, my friend But again I feel the need to point out Ford's obvious advantages over GM: interior, handling, and design. But come on.. these engines need longer wangs, not bigger balls.

And that's all I have to say about that!

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Put the water bong away and go to bed. Your talking out of your ass.


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Originally posted by Tim:
The battle of the pushrods versus the overhead cams is ending up in favor of the engine with the longer stroke.



Originally posted by Tim:
BTW, what are you talking about ? Cobra's cost far, far more than Z28's did when they were new.






Ummmmm, this battle that you speak of already ended when the crapmaro and firebird died.

Long live mustang!!!!!


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The idea of a conversation, such as this, is to exchange knowledgeable facts and opinions in the hopes of arriving at the same intelligent conclusion as the person you're speaking with

My point is, of course, that you have to appreciate your competition before you can appreciate that which is your own, because, after all, how can you make improvements when you don't know the faults ?

Maybe I should pass the bong over to you,

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Originally posted by amarv12:
Originally posted by Tim:
The battle of the pushrods versus the overhead cams is ending up in favor of the engine with the longer stroke.



Originally posted by Tim:
BTW, what are you talking about ? Cobra's cost far, far more than Z28's did when they were new.






Ummmmm, this battle that you speak of already ended when the crapmaro and firebird died.

Long live mustang!!!!!




Yet the Corvette still continues which, with the same engine, is just as modable. Of course I'm yelling into a windstorm again. Convincing some people of anything appreciable is like trying to pull teeth.

You guys seriously need to take a peak at what else is out there. There's no sweeter a sound, in my opinion, than the whine that comes from a supercharged V8, but you have to realize there are other decent engines out there that take to boost just as well (and some that don't need it).

So --> as you would say,

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Originally posted by Tim:

BTW, what are you talking about ? Cobra's cost far, far more than Z28's did when they were new.
Cheers,
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Actually I was talking about the Corvettes but the only things (as far as I know) seperating the two is intake and ECU's. At least I think.

All I know is just about any Corvette nowaday would spank my '98 Cobra's ash and I think they're a great sports car. But if I were to own one somehow I would sell it for mod money for my Cobra. I know the competition - I respect the competition - but I'll love my Ford more.


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Originally posted by Tim:
Actually, yes I am high!

However, regardless, that is not the reason for the post. I love my blue oval as much as the next (interior and design quality comes to my mind first for Ford above all other domestic contenders), however after taking a ride in a 98 Z28 t-tops putting down 400 to the wheels (and, yes, I saw the dyno sheet!) with nothing more than a few thousand in modifications installed at a local shop, I seriously don't understand why people put too much emphasis on the Cobra's supercharged 4.6L vs the GM naturally aspirated 5.7L LS1.

Perhaps when the Cobra's go into preowned and drop about 15 grand from their fair market value (which they won't for probably another good 10 years since the 03 and 04's SVT's mean the end of a model generation) then I'll start appreciating something that's within my reach of affording.

BTW, no disrespect intended for those on this board who own Cobra's; if you've got the $$$, spend it!

Tim




Why are you saying supercharged compared to N/A? There is a reason they didnt use force induction. You can say well if a Camaro slaps on a supercharger then it would be the end for the Cobra. Well, then the Cobra can slap on a Kenne Bell for the same price and easily put down over 600 RWHP. So whatever the LS1 can do the Cobra can. Plus the Cobra's bottom end can handle much more. I can go on and on about the Cobra, but it seems we all have our own opinion. This will turn into a whole GM vs Ford ordeal. So I'll shut up now.


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Absolutely: Ford vs. GM will go on forever. Unless Ford can do to the Vette what it did for the Slomaro and Firechicken.

But I forgot to add in my last post I purposely took video of a supercharged LS1 Vette (Z06 or C5 - I'm not that edumucated on Cheby stuff) and lsneo is posting it. Simply because it sounds MEEAAAAANNNNNN. I'll respect any car with a good platform to work with - my upbringing and experience make me want Fords more.


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