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You also must remember that the federal government leaves a lot of these kind of decisions up to the individual states. Like Alaska for example. You can grow up to 2 plants in your own home over there, if it's only for personal use (what else will you do all winter when you got ten feet of snow covering your front door). I guess that's their motivation for you to buy a lot of houses and real estate over there (helping their ecomony j/k)? But it's perfectly LEGAL over there. So there you go. If you guys want to legally puff weed in this country then the US governement HAS allowed to permit a designated state of the union where you can puff all day if you want. But if you live anywhere else in the US then your stuck under the table puffin it. I'm fine with that. GOD knows the cops don't come lookin for you if your just in your home puffin a little weed without attracting attention and raising a ruckess. What's wrong with that? You guys who puff just need legality to give you peace of mind and the comfortable ease knowing that you can't get busted, and they can't walk in and ruin your high you were on? Why legalize it, to anyone who smokes it now, the law never stopped any of you now.
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Originally posted by Josch:
You also must remember that the federal government leaves a lot of these kind of decisions up to the individual states. Like Alaska for example. You can grow up to 2 plants in your own home over there, if it's only for personal use (what else will you do all winter when you got ten feet of snow covering your front door). I guess that's their motivation for you to buy a lot of houses and real estate over there (helping their ecomony j/k)? But it's perfectly LEGAL over there. So there you go. If you guys want to legally puff weed in this country then the US governement HAS allowed to permit a designated state of the union where you can puff all day if you want. But if you live anywhere else in the US then your stuck under the table puffin it. I'm fine with that. GOD knows the cops don't come lookin for you if your just in your home puffin a little weed without attracting attention and raising a ruckess. What's wrong with that? You guys who puff just need legality to give you peace of mind and the comfortable ease knowing that you can't get busted, and they can't walk in and ruin your high you were on? Why legalize it, to anyone who smokes it now, the law never stopped any of you now.
Yeah, Oregon is pretty much to pot smoking capital of the U.S. You get caught with an eighth and you MIGHT get arrested. It's pretty much a fine and a slap on the wrist for first time offenders. But if you go to Wyoming, and eighth can land you 3 years in prison. It's all up to the state.
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Originally posted by sigma:
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used to smoke pot for years (since I was 12 to 25), so I know all about it. I also know that it wasn't until I quit 5 years ago that I SLOWLY, progressively started to really see what it had been doing to me all those years. While I puffed weed chronically, I never made more than $20,000 per year, and I was content making that. Keyword: CONTENT. When I quit puffing the magic cloud, from that point on in my life, I slowly started becoming more bored of just fooling around and wasting time, and started becoming less and less 'content' with my annual income. Since that time, I've used that pissoff time and figured out how to make more and more money every year, and now I make more money than I've ever made in my whole life!
So you were a slacker from the age of 12 to 25. Virtually everyone is. While it could be attributed somewhat to pot, I doubt that was the majority of the reason you were unmotivated. Being a slacker is just part of being a teen; and most grow out of it -- right around the age of 25.
If Pot somehow makes people less motivated then explain how countries where it is more tolerated (ie Most of Europe) or even where it is legal/semi-legal are some of the most successful economies in the world?
It's simply a different mindset between them and us. Our culture is far more to blame for the "side-effects" of Pot than the pot itself.
I wrote a paper on drug testing for my sociology class in college. In the studies i read there was evidence that the reason absenteeism and poor job performance was so high with pot smokers could be attributed to the fact that most of the smokers in the work place were males ages 18-25 which have a higher rate of both across the board anyway. If i can find the paper i wrote i will post it with the bibliography. But it must be noted that ther does seem to be a link between the type of person who continues to smoke pot into their thirties and the people who don't begin to succeed by this time.
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In response to a couple of issues:
Issue 1. Smokers are going to be disappointed with the weaker pot that will be available legally, and will therefore still obtain illegal pot.
First, very few people will willingly risk fines/arrest to obtain a product that is available legally. They will probably complain about the relative weakness of legal pot, but in response will just smoke more initially.
Second, many illegal growers/sources will go out of business, thanks to the reduced demand for their product. Hence, the price and availability of the strongest illegal stuff will change dramatically, making it not worth it to all but the fringe.
Issue 2. Pot is a gateway drug.
I suggest alcohol is the real gateway drug. I've never known anyone who had their first toke before their first drink.
Issue 3. Pot makes people slackers...
There are enough successful people smoking pot on an occasional basis to make me doubt pot itself is the cause of slackitude. If you can't make it through the day wihtout using a drug, you need to address the factors causing this dependence. The existence of the drug itself is not the problem.
Issue 4. ...and will ruin the economy.
It would be nearly impossible to quantify this theory, due to the fact that individual ambition is dependent on so many factors not related to pot use.
Issue 5. As a compromise, keep it illegal but reduce the penalties.
This might appear to be a good compromise, but unfortunately it keeps the drug dealers in business. Legalization would severely cripple the grower/distributor/dealer infrastructure.
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I beleive that it is the person you may have been at that time, that kept you from striving for a better job. As I stated before I smoke a couple of times a week (used to everyday) yet I bacame the youngest store manager ever at the window covering company I was working at. 20 years old making 40K salary plus 1% store sales, which translated to anoter 12k-15k a year. Now at 23 in an outside sales position I cleared 62k last year.
It all comes down to personel drive to make more and live better.
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Originally posted by Fat Mike:
I was never worried about ODing on marijuana. My point is that marijuana can consume your life, as can alcohol.
And you're saying I can't do the same thing with a car?
We can sit here and make points back and forth all day. It all comes down to personal preference and who shows up to vote.
edit- Originally posted by Fat Mike:
Yeah, Oregon is pretty much to pot smoking capital of the U.S. You get caught with an eighth and you MIGHT get arrested. It's pretty much a fine and a slap on the wrist for first time offenders. But if you go to Wyoming, and eighth can land you 3 years in prison. It's all up to the state.
Don't forget about Nevada. Possession is 20yrs, and distrbution is life IIRC.
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WOW still going....I just wanted to add that i didnt mean to p*ss anyone off with my opinion. I guesse thats what makes the world go round, different opinions.....
My mother inlaw is chronically sick and has a life ending illness, they saw a few more years. Funny thing is they have prescribed her Marinal. Marinal is man made THC. So to throw another thing into this conversation would be why would the goverment make THC? Why wouldnt they just let her smoke the plant? She smokes on daily basis. It helps her keep weight on and pain down, not to mention calm her nashua. I feel for her and anyone else stuck in a dilemma like that. I mean shes going to die soon why not let her be high? by the way marinal does not have the same effect as the real THC.
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Originally posted by ASSVT:
Josch
I beleive that it is the person you may have been at that time, that kept you from striving for a better job. As I stated before I smoke a couple of times a week (used to everyday) yet I bacame the youngest store manager ever at the window covering company I was working at. 20 years old making 40K salary plus 1% store sales, which translated to anoter 12k-15k a year. Now at 23 in an outside sales position I cleared 62k last year.
It all comes down to personel drive to make more and live better.
I think the real question is are you the exception to the rule, or are you the rule?
By far and away most pot-heads I knew (and I knew a LOT more than just a few) were not the poster-children of motivation and drive. Many were before they started smoking.
Coincidence? Hell, no.
One can throw up all the "studies" and "statistics" they want. It still doesn't change the fact that a LARGE percentage of people that start out with pot go on to harder substances.
There's a culture aspect behind pot that enables the "drug lifestyle". The same CAN'T be said of alcohol, even though there are some valid parallels between it's use and abuse. Unless you're willing to pull a Kitty Dukakis and start pounding rubbing alcohol, there's no "super alcohol" or something that is past it to springboard to.
Pot does this in that your first toke opens up a whole new realm of highs and searching for that "perfect" high with some folks; in many cases it doesn't stop with pot.
Legalizing this crap just throws Pandora's Box wide open: it validates a certain BEHAVIOR; a certain dependance on substance use for relaxation...
...which in many cases will lead to trying to find newer and better ways to relax, have fun and get high.
Smoke it if you've got it. Just don't try to legalize this sh!t, because there is NOTHING good that will come of it. That's my entire argument, because NO ONE has ever been able to tell me what good comes from illicit drug use. The physical and mental damage that ALL drugs cause is real, there's no denying it.
By the way, if you believe for one second that there's a chance in hell that pot will be legalized in the US anytime soon, you definitely are smoking it. Check the state and government legal action on the tobacco industry over the past decade, the pervasive health issues that it causes and now try to tell me that there's a valid reason for legalizing an unfiltered joint.
Dope is a blast, be it pot or any other substance (as I've tried a lot in another lifetime). I'll never deny it and I won't lie to anyone about it. The damage, pain and suffering that the aftermath of it causes isn't. It's Hell on Earth and it's not work risking. There are better ways to relax, get a "rush" or have fun.
Almost all of them that I can rattle off at a moment's notice don't run the risk of creating a lifeless echo of a person...
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Stating "pot" is a gateway drug is a real cop-out. In my years I have known many who drink or smoke or both. I have known professionals 1)A Veternarian who graduated from Texas A&M and 2)An Attorney who graduated from Harvard. 3)A police officer. They all still smoke except the later, in the case of the second, he smokes and drinks. the first two of these individuals are seriously successful in they're bussinesses and personal lives. The third being a cop decided that his carrer was more important and went clean and sober all the way, a few years back. My point is candy is a gateway drug if your a diabetic. It all depends on the individual, if your the kind of person who cannot control yourself, it's not going to matter. Drugs, alcohole, gambling, Chocolate. They can all be done to excess. Remember this and you will live well, "All things in moderation." Yes, legalize it, then Tax the crude out of it. Companies that care what thier employees do in there spare time do D.T's anyway. Some professions should never use anything, Pilots, Aircraft mechanics, police officers, these people the rest of us count on being sober.
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Wow... this is a fast growing thread!! there have been 99 new posts since I last checked it this morning!!!
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