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Originally posted by SVTCuervo:
That brings up an interesting(yet scarey) thought. Look at this post. I would say that nearly 95% of the poster agreed that it should be legalized(I didn't  ). However lets just say our boards are a little on the Liberal side  and say that %75(probably more) of all American people between the ages of 15-25 agree that it should be legalized. 20 to 25 years down the road those people become our Congress people. Now thats one of the scariest things I can think of Of course some of them may actually grow up in that stretch and realize how stupid it all is. There may still be hope.
No, what is really scary is an ILLEGITIMATE President LYING to his citizens on matters of state and no mainstream press calling him on it.
Back on topic, legalization will eventually happen because it is insane to keep up the charade of distinction with alcohol. Plus the fact that the 'war on drugs' is becoming too expensive - a big waste of resources. Imagine where the U.S. would be on the war on terrorism if we had spent all the anti-drug resources over the last 20 years on that real threat versus the imagined drug threat?
It's also been said that it is America's biggest cash crop, so support your local farmer today!
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Originally posted by Silver Ghost:
No, what is really scary is an ILLEGITIMATE President LYING to his citizens on matters of state and no mainstream press calling him on it.
I'd go so far to say what's EVEN scarier is the mind-numbing sewage that's contained in that statement...
Since it's only your 3rd post, I'll cut you some slack. Check out the concept of the Electoral college and how Presidential elections are decided in the US. Knowledge is power, so get some or shut up.
In any case...
Originally posted by Silver Ghost:
Back on topic, legalization will eventually happen because it is insane to keep up the charade of distinction with alcohol.
There are tons of distinctions, from cultural to the chemical, from effect and damage. Pick one.
Originally posted by Silver Ghost:
Plus the fact that the 'war on drugs' is becoming too expensive - a big waste of resources. Imagine where the U.S. would be on the war on terrorism if we had spent all the anti-drug resources over the last 20 years on that real threat versus the imagined drug threat?
No, a waste of resource is the money spent on illicit drugs by American citizens. Also, do you care to guess what cash crop in Afghanistan and Pakisan funded a LOT of Al-Qaeda activities (and the Mujahdeen effort against the Russians before that)?
The poppy trade, which herion comes from. So much for your crack-pot thesis that the war on drugs is imaginary, as the drug trade and terrorism have been bed-fellows to an extent.
Columbia is also the model of civility and peace, being that it's the terrorism and kidnap capital of South America.  Why? With the cartels in a struggle against the government (and the cocoa farmers and FARC rebels merely puppets in this entire game), the whole country is a DANGEROUS place to live.
Originally posted by Silver Ghost:
It's also been said that it is America's biggest cash crop, so support your local farmer today!
Wake up.
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Originally posted by Silver Ghost:
Originally posted by SVTCuervo:
That brings up an interesting(yet scarey) thought. Look at this post. I would say that nearly 95% of the poster agreed that it should be legalized(I didn't ). However lets just say our boards are a little on the Liberal side and say that %75(probably more) of all American people between the ages of 15-25 agree that it should be legalized. 20 to 25 years down the road those people become our Congress people. Now thats one of the scariest things I can think of Of course some of them may actually grow up in that stretch and realize how stupid it all is. There may still be hope.
No, what is really scary is an ILLEGITIMATE President LYING to his citizens on matters of state and no mainstream press calling him on it.
Back on topic, legalization will eventually happen because it is insane to keep up the charade of distinction with alcohol. Plus the fact that the 'war on drugs' is becoming too expensive - a big waste of resources. Imagine where the U.S. would be on the war on terrorism if we had spent all the anti-drug resources over the last 20 years on that real threat versus the imagined drug threat?
It's also been said that it is America's biggest cash crop, so support your local farmer today!
Sweet [censored] shut up (For bringing the current president into this through your mistaken and jump-on-the-bandwagon comment). 'imagined drug threat'. Yes drug Cartels basically owning Columbia through murder and corruption is an imagined threat. x10
EDIT - Posted before I read Jatos , he said the same thing so yeah. (Read Killing Pablo , by the same guy who did Black Hawk Down , interesting books)
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Originally posted by Silver Ghost:
It's also been said that it is America's biggest cash crop, so support your local farmer today!
Wake up.
Actually it IS california's biggest cash crop and has been for about a decade...and yes i'm awake. And since if california were to be it's own country we would be the 5th wealthiest country in the world...i think that may have quite an impact on our nations monetary resources.
Although our culture is different than any other in the world we have to look at what's been done in other countries (holland, canada, etc...) and take the positives and negatives. I think we don't give the citizens of this country enough credit to make up their own minds. But if you don't give people the options...they will make them for themselves. It seems that the majority of people are really concerned with the physical detriments of legalizing MJ (Mary Jane...not Mary Jay)...well as many have said it is much safer than tobacco or alcohol. There should be no dispute of that. Also it should be said that there is no physical addiction to MJ...unlike tobacco and alcohol. The addiction is simply mental...and leaves the choice strictly on the user.
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What are Californias other "Cash crops"? And how much do they pull in ? Basically post your source , not saying youre wrong Id just like to read it. Then Ill say youre wrong  lol jk.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,947880,00.html
I hope this is sufficient...if not please tell me and I'll find you 1000 more.
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All the moral issues aside I think there is one big reason that will prevent mj from being legalize anytime soon: too hard to regulate it. So many already grow plants in their backyards and will continue to do so even if it is legalize so they can get around having to pay tons of cash for it. I'm sure it would put a big dent in the drug dealers trade but there would still be pot sold illegally. "Tax the hell out of it" a lot of people have said would only result in people doing what they do now: buying mj illegally. Another issue I see is duim? Driving under the influence of marijuana? As far as I know there is no way to test for mj content like a breathalyzer can do for alcohol. I may be wrong on this but I don't read up on this crap all the time, my drug days are eons behind me. If they use a blood test or urinalysis 1) EXTREMELY expensive and 2) Inconclusive due to the length of time mj stays in the system. So, how can the police REALLY tell if someone has smoked too much and gotten behind the wheel? How do they set a "legal limit"? They can't. I think the above issues are much more pertinent to the legalization of mj than all the moral stuff that has been previously brought up. Right or wrong, mj is becoming socially acceptable and even "cool" (as stupid as that is) in a lot of circles. And for people who's best defense on EITHER side of the issue is quoting bumper stickers from the 60's and 70's. (i.e. support your local farmer?) All I can say is...get a friggin clue!
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This is an interesting one...albeit very right winged. http://home.mesastate.edu/~jahawk/california.html
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Originally posted by Silver Ghost:
what is really scary is an ILLEGITIMATE President LYING to his citizens on matters of state and no mainstream press calling him on it.
Wow. Talk about going off on a tangent, very lopsided statement. However, the institution of the President and the Gov are supposed to have our best interest in mind at all times. I know there have been and will be times when every past, current, and future President (or any leader for that matter) will possibly have to lie, mislead, and/or decieve their constituents for a cause that is in the best interest country. Sometimes it's better that we don't know at all or don't know the full extent of the truth. The challenging part is trusting that a leader you're unsure of is making the right decisions.
And all you "legalize-ers" keep burning that good stuff if you honestly believe it'll ever happen.
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Originally posted by BP:
However, the institution of the President and the Gov are supposed to have our best interest in mind at all times. I know there have been and will be times when every past, current, and future President (or any leader for that matter) will possibly have to lie, mislead, and/or decieve their constituents for a cause that is in the best interest country.
I would NEVER go so far as to say that the Gov. and the Pres. have the best interest in mind 100% of the time. If this was the case, then we would have minted our own money a long time ago, completely bypassed the Federal Reserve Bank, and not have the enormous National Debt owed to the FRB that we do. Interest payments are a b!tch...
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