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It seems that if ford lost the crown-vic,
Never happen. Ford has the monopoly on RWD full frame vehicles and I think the steady flow of P71 sales will keep the Crown Vic in production for a long time. GM lost a lot of business when they dropped the Caprice, especiall the Caprice police package (9C1) with the LT1 'vette engine which is still heralded as the ultimate patrol car.
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taurus,
Ford needs a cookie cutter car for it's rental fleet customers and a low cost car like the Taurus fits the bill. I think the Taurus is here to stay.
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Nobody loves the other red headed stepchild of Ford.
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excursion,
Somebody hasn't been paying attention. '03 is the last year of the Excursion. IMHO, Ford should have just stretched out the wheelbase of the Expedition to come up with a Suburban fighter, rather than throw a passenger body on a 1 ton pickup frame, but that's neither here nor there.
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escape,
Excape is a rather nice little SUV IMHO.
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and their van lines (not the commercial e-series)
The Aerostar is long gone, that leaves only the Windstar. The Windstar isn't a bad van, when it's running.
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and brought over the streetka, the fiesta, the cmax and the fusion they'd probably make a lot more money.
After spending the money necessary to make those cars meet US regulations, I don't think Ford would be raking in the bucks.
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Imagine how many cars Ford would sell if they didn't have a single automobile line under $20,000. They'd price themselves right out of the business.
i dont agree with this. what about the car companies like Lexus, Infinity, Mercedes-benz, BMW (not sure about this but i dont think they have a car under 20K anymore), Land Rover and all of those other VERY respectable car companies over here that dont have a single car line under 20,000. hell a couple of those dont even touch the 29,000 mark...just a thought.
One, Lexus and Infinity are Toyota and Nissan so they don't count as stand-alone car companies.
Two, All the others are luxury auto makers. Ford isn't, so if they dropped all their entry level cars they'd be screwed.
Three, 54 posts a day 
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Your ghetto pass has been revoked. You're no longer an honorary brother.
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Nobody loves the other red headed stepchild of Ford.
except in Europe. The Puma, which shares many of the same components as the ZX2 is a super car. and it looks GOOD too. unlike the awkward and weeny-ish looking ZX2.
which would you rather have:
or this
the bumpers, headlights, rear end all look better on the Euro version.
Ford just has its head up its butt when it comes to making good looking cars in their own country. i think they take theur price point for granted at the demise of quality.
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That Puma looks like a Ford version of the Tiburon. Which, isn't exactly a good thing in my opinion, but at least it's something different.
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Will you pay the post & packaging ?? 
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Originally posted by sigma:
That Puma looks like a Ford version of the Tiburon. Which, isn't exactly a good thing in my opinion, but at least it's something different.
i don't see the similarities, but either way, i think the new tiburon looks pretty good too.
my point was that the euro version is just better. the finish is better, the ride is better, the shifter is better, the engine has more power. we get stuck with another Red-Headed Step-Child, and they get a ncie, small, fast coupe priced around $15,000.
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Originally posted by DanLeCompte:
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Imagine how many cars Ford would sell if they didn't have a single automobile line under $20,000. They'd price themselves right out of the business.
i dont agree with this. what about the car companies like Lexus, Infinity, Mercedes-benz, BMW (not sure about this but i dont think they have a car under 20K anymore), Land Rover and all of those other VERY respectable car companies over here that dont have a single car line under 20,000. hell a couple of those dont even touch the 29,000 mark...just a thought.
One, Lexus and Infinity are Toyota and Nissan so they don't count as stand-alone car companies.
Two, All the others are luxury auto makers. Ford isn't, so if they dropped all their entry level cars they'd be screwed.
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umm i have driven top end tauri (plural for taurus) and they are very VERY luxurious. i would rather have a taurus than an infinity because of the price and the styling...i dont care too much for the styling of the new infinities...
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umm i have driven top end tauri (plural for taurus) and they are very VERY luxurious. i would rather have a taurus than an infinity because of the price and the styling...i dont care too much for the styling of the new infinities...
But have you ever driven a high-end Infiniti?
Not to diss on the Taurus, because I like the car, but there is simply no comparison there.
Is it worth the price different to me personally? No. But most Infiniti owners wouldn't be caught dead in a Taurus.
Likewise, most Ford owners couldn't afford the Infiniti. Which is the point of this thread. A Taurus with European quality would be priced like an Infiniti, and Taurus buyers are NOT Infiniti buyers, they are $17,000 car buyers. If they had $40,000 they'd be that Infiniti, but they don't. If you price a Ford at $40,000 they'll simply buy a Malibu or Sebring or whatever the comparison would be.
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yes i have driven a high end infinity. and while the feel and handling were great...i didnt like the exterior styling. but i see your point. while most infinity owners wouldnt be caught dead in a taurus, if they drive the top end newest model...they might decide they like it...just a thought.
oh on a side note, the only under 20,000 dollar cars that chrysler makes are the Sebring sedan (base model) and the PT cruiser (base model). i love my moms concorde, which drives better than mose BMW's i have ridden in and wayyy better than my grandmothers 2000 Toyota Avalon. my moms 2002 Chrysler Concorde Limited had a sticker price of 38,880 after dealer markup.
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Originally posted by sigma:
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umm i have driven top end tauri (plural for taurus) and they are very VERY luxurious. i would rather have a taurus than an infinity because of the price and the styling...i dont care too much for the styling of the new infinities...
But have you ever driven a high-end Infiniti?
Not to diss on the Taurus, because I like the car, but there is simply no comparison there.
Is it worth the price different to me personally? No. But most Infiniti owners wouldn't be caught dead in a Taurus.
Likewise, most Ford owners couldn't afford the Infiniti. Which is the point of this thread. A Taurus with European quality would be priced like an Infiniti, and Taurus buyers are NOT Infiniti buyers, they are $17,000 car buyers. If they had $40,000 they'd be that Infiniti, but they don't. If you price a Ford at $40,000 they'll simply buy a Malibu or Sebring or whatever the comparison would be.
sorry man. i have to disagree again. i own both an infiniti G20t and a CSVT. i love both cars, but i wouldn't look at another Ford, not because I don't consider myself a Ford buyer, but because the cars are ages apart regarding reliability and fit-n-finish. there simply is no comparison. when the SVT first came out, there was a 3-way road test between te Audi A4, CSVT, and G20t. Depsite the fact that all three cars were in the same price bracket, the CSVT did not come out on top because the quality simply wasn't there. (the G20t was lacking in power, and the Audi was $3k more than the other 2).
let's take, for example, a comparison between the G35 6MT Coupe and Mustang Cobra SVT. Both are sport coupes. Both are in the same price range. But the Inifinti is FAR AND ABOVE the better car for relaibility and quality. the door panels on the mustang rattle and flex, the middle dash section looks like it was put together by a 5 year old, and the materials come from the cheapest plastic parts bins in the industry. the G35 has OK wood grain & aluminum accents, MUCH nicer leather seats, buttons and switches with a QUALITY FEEL, and solid build characteristics. with $36k burning a hole in my pocket, there is no question that i'd go with the Infiniti.
especially considering the fantastic time i've had with the G20's completely worry-free first 31k miles vs. the CSVTs tentative and rattle-infested first 42k miles. And the fantastic Infiniti dealer network and knowledgable service people vs. Ford's "rent-a-technician" thickheaded repair staff.
i love driving and looking at my CSVT, but the G20t will definitely outlast it with much less worry, and for the same sticker price.
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