Originally posted by BP:
That's a cop out. They definitely could've planned better than what has been done as far as policing, protecting, and planning on where the funds would come from. Knowing the economic state of Iraq I refuse to believe that bush couldn't have known and planned better for the rebuilding process.



For Christ's sakes, COME ON! You can't have it both ways! One minute you claim that this administration KNEW nothing on WMD in Iraq, then you turn around and expect that SAME administration to know what buildings were going to be destroyed, what facilities and sites would be deserted by the Iraqi Army, what pipelines would have shoddy valves and need maintenance, precisely how much food, water and necessities to truck in, MONTHS in advance of the actual event?!

You think we've got satellites checking the status of water lines and sewers instead of mapping the land for any possible hidden dumps, sites or facilities? What PLANET are you from!? If you think this is an inept administration, fine. Think it all you want. Just be consistent in your expectations.

War is fluid, ever-changing! Rebuilding after the fact is EVEN more so!

S**T! We know the economic status of EVERY state in the NATION (have it almost down to an art) and when acts of terrorism or a natural disaster rolls through, NO ONE tries to plan down to the level that the media and Bush-haters are expecting! I'll say it again; it's an iterative process. We had a rough idea of what it would take, but NO ONE knew how many more times a pipeline or building was going to be sabotaged, blown-up, torn down or repaired!!!

It's NO different when the government makes estimates on damages and plans for a relief effort when a natural disaster strikes...


Originally posted by BP:
I don't believe they had a chance to enforce their resolutions and I mean the one that got the inspectors in Iraq before we told them to leave and took over. So we can't say they didn't do their job, cause we cut them off.



Quit picking and choosing which UN "goat rodeo" to ride with here! They are one in the same, as Iraq NEVER came clean even in the last moments when we demanded that they do so. There are MISSING agents. Iraq didn't account for them, as they were supposed to do!

F-A-C-T.

So 12 years wasn't enough time, even when for most of that 12 years the access to Presidential compounds and other "off-limit" sites was never granted, documents were either censored or ended up missing, a final tally of chem/biochem weapons was ALWAYS (and is to this day) incomplete, and we had the Iraqis threatening, lying, distorting and doing as MUCH as they possibly could to make the inspections an absolute failure?

When does common sense kick in, tell you that THEY ARE HIDING SOMETHING and that they VIOLATED over a dozen UN Resolutions mandating their compliance otherwise consequences would follow?

If we have politicians in office that think like this, no wonder things look like they are going to "Hell in a Handbasket".

Originally posted by BP:
I seem to have missed the part where they said if you cut us off and don't let us finish the job you pressured us to start we'll come in and clean up the mess you made. I see why they don't want anything to do with it.



I DIDN'T miss the part where the UN Security Council UNANIMOUSLY voted to take action against Iraq if they didn't come clean after 12 years of screwing around and playing "hide and seek", then have certain council members back out when they figure out that unpaid loans to Iraq are at threat (as well as the lucrative "food for oil" program) as well as putting up with a potential ethnic and popular backlash at home...

Originally posted by JaTo:
I'll not let you get out of this one. You asked for a political entity tied to terrorism;



Originally posted by BP:
No I didn't. I was making the point that there isn't one. Which means that by attacking a nation suspected of being tied to a terrorist organization is really hypocritical since there are so many nations tied to and supporting terrorism.



Then what in the hell was Afghanistan? Why had Hussein promised $25K payouts to the families of Palistinian Hamas suicide bombers? Why was he harboring known Egyptian and Sudanese terrorists?

The Al-Qaeda links were shaky at best, though its a FACT that Hussein had ties to terrorism.

Originally posted by BP:
Crippled? lol. Ok. Keep believing that.



Please count on your fingers the number of terrorist attacks on US soil since 9/11 and put the answer in your next post. Our crackdown HAS made a difference.

Originally posted by BP:
Unless you meant adding fuel to the fire. I guess what Israel is doing with middle east crisis is working too huh. ...Sorry wrong discussion. If you were honest with yourself it's not hard to infer that they believe this is a holy war and the Islamic sentiment that was half way positive towards the US immediately after 9/11 has changed tides.



Not every Muslim is a screaming, raging militant. And the bastardized concept of Jihad that the militants constantly refer to and lean on is a sham and more and more Muslims are coming to know this, even though there probably exists more animosity toward the US and our recent actions.

Originally posted by BP:
So the US soldiers as martyrs to the administrations policy is accpetable to you?

I never said it was this administrations policy, I said that it is what the situation has BECOME.


Originally posted by BP:
It's not that I expect us to account for them right away. But I do expect that all of the evidence the administration had that Iraq was massing wmds before we went to war would be able to be proven much sooner. I don't know...but it seems it should be taking so long since the UN inspectors covered a lot anyway, but not everything. And if they're that well hidden to me that seems they wouldn't have been so easy to use.



That's the conundrum of this entire war. I was surprised as anyone that our troops weren't getting aerosoled with stuff when they were 60 miles outside of Baghdad. Why did Hussein spend 12 years playing the "shell game" with UN weapons inspectors and fabricate roadblock after roadblock after roadblock if he had NOTHING TO HIDE? There's only two answers: He HAD SOMETHING TO HIDE, or he was suicidal.

Originally posted by BP:
And if we cannot account for something, anything, related to the TONS of wmds they're suspected of having, then it's a no win situation for Bush cause either they didn't have them which makes the reasons for going to war invalid, or they gave them to someone else which means the supposed threat is still the same and we screwed up by letting it get away.

Then the buck gets passed back to the UN for f**King around for 12 years and miserably failing their purpose in the first place.

Originally posted by BP:
Again. All I'm saying is that the adminstration could've done a much better job first off by letting the inspectors finish their job, and then by preparing for post war Iraq better than it was. But I have a hard time beleiving much effort and planning went into post war Iraq, even though this was Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Time will tell.



I'll agreee that only time will tell, but on the other points:



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