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#748013 09/15/03 07:23 PM
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OK for some reason latley i have been thinking entirely too much about forced induction for my v6 atx. I went as far as building an electric turbo with a huge blower motor from a parts store...works good for $40 but at most 25hp....I was looking on ebay at superchargers because turbo seems a lot of work and money and i am not looking to race a whole lot just looking for a good solid gain.. I suspect that the supercharger kits now are driven off of the waterpump belt on the driver side of the engine and that they are not driven by a jack shaft. I was wondering can a normal centrifical supercharger(sn 93, i think) with the correct diameter and ribbed pulley with a custom made bracket and a custom burnt chip if that would work....reason i ask is that i can get the supercharger its self for like 300-400. I would eventually get a intercooler of some sort. I was also wondering using this type of supercharger where does the air come from...I figured that the battery and fuse box would be relocated along with w/e else could be.
Or i may have jus completley lost my mind.
any response negative or postive woudl be apreaciated...i am also expecting to here its just gonna be easier to buy the whole kit...but i dont have $4000 only $1000

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How did you manage to build a 25hp mod for $40? I don't quite understand. Where do you plan on putting the intercooler you're talking about? And being that your car is ATX I don't believe there is a supercharger kit you can buy for it either. I think you might've lost your mind, but then again I've come close to doing the same. So...build more 25hp mods for $40!


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The centrifigual charger for our cars is driven off the crank side of the engine. You cant use the waterpump pulleys to drive it. If you want to piece a system go to www.superchargersonline.com they sell the units by themselves. But you will have to buy a shaft and the unit and you are already past $1000.


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If you've built something like an electric supercharger already I say you've probably got atleast a little know-how to give it a go.
I say try it.


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using the camshaft doesnt sound like an all that bad of an idea (but i really dont know much so i probably dont count)

of course an electric water pump would be needed


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well the electric turbo/supercharger thing is made up of a $45 blower motor and fan for some chevy truck the fans about 5.5" in diameter and i used pcv pipe for the inlet and outlets and a 5 gallon bucket has the main housing, because thats the biggest sturdy cylnder i could find that was cheap and easy to cut. I took the basic design of the electic turbochargers on ebay and basically just up sized the power by like 20x...the only thing is its like 11 inches wide and 5 inches deep...but i hooked it up to a battery at my work(advanced auto parts) and it blew hard...really hard...everybody there was impressed...i got to bring it into my school to ask my physics and engineer teachers a few question on how to better the design and get maximum air flow....If i can find some way to get accurate #'s i'll post...everybody i talked to about electric turbos was yea concept is good but the power isnt there...so i went and got the power i think it draws 30ish amps maybe more....i have only been working on it for about a week and jus now testing it....

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I wouldn't run anything off the cams as the stress on the timing chains would be too high and if you snap one of those, kiss your engine goodbye.

In all honesty sounds like your Bubb- Ray supercharger setup is a waste of time and probably will net you 2hp isf you lucky and don't toast your battery/alternator/wiring (and if you get it to somehow fit in your engine bay).

Nothing comes for free, and whatever you get cheap is usually garbage.

Stop wasting your money and save up to buy something that been tried, tested and proven, i.e. the SF Turbokit. And you'll have to get a MTX equipped V6 if you want to have any sort of room to fit a S/C or T/C into the engine bay.

Also if someohow you were able to fit a forced induction apparatus into your car, the ATX is simply not sturdy enough to hndle the power and torque increases that come with F/I.


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I have seen first hand the electric S/C from Garrett. It will likely never come to exist. It runs off of a 48volt system.
Good luck.


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well some cars are equipped with blower motors so the draw should not be a problem, I may not be correct on the draw...i just know that it is much more than those advertised on ebay.
Stazzi i am a freshman in community college and work 25hrs part time to save up enough money for a new tour with a v 6 and mtx and enough for a turbo would never happen..so i am gonna keep workin on my $40 investment, because its fun. NO offense to you or anything a new car with turbo/s/c system isnt possible for me.

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Originally posted by sleeperv6:
well some cars are equipped with blower motors so the draw should not be a problem, I may not be correct on the draw...i just know that it is much more than those advertised on ebay.
Stazzi i am a freshman in community college and work 25hrs part time to save up enough money for a new tour with a v 6 and mtx and enough for a turbo would never happen..so i am gonna keep workin on my $40 investment, because its fun. NO offense to you or anything a new car with turbo/s/c system isnt possible for me.




None taken...........

I'm just letting you know that you're wasting your time. If it were all that easy do you think I, and others, would've dropped $5k on a turbo kit and sundries? I doubt it! And this is coming frome someone with a Mech Eng degree with a thesis on T/C'ing engines - so that should tell you that I know what is realistic and what isn't.

Seeing as you're in college, you're better off investing that money into a Keg and/or a bottle of Absolut so that you can increase the punani input into your bedroom! Trust me it'll be more effective than trying to increase the power/torque output from you engine - especially with that budget!


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