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Re: Throttle bodies Bah! #745018 09/12/03 03:15 AM
Joined: May 2002 Posts: 21,653 Albany, Georgia K Kremithefrog I have no life
Kremithefrog I have no life K Joined: May 2002 Posts: 21,653 Albany, Georgia	The feeling of anticipation can cause a "feeling" but, I actually felt something, better response or whatever you wanna call it. Like I said, it wasn't much but just enough to know it helped a little.,,,,, And if you wanna know why it helps, just get the optimized TB from Rick and compare it to the stock TB and use a little scientific thinkin' and you'll see why it helps (and should see why it doesn't make a HUGE difference either). I know anticipation can cause you to feel stuff and what not, but I don't really anticipate much outta my car, which helps me to feel changes in it. If you took just 1 psi outta all of my tires (or just the front) I would probably realize something is up. I just spend a lotta time with the car, getting to know it and its characteristics. 98.5 SVT 91 Escort GT (almost sold) 96 ATX Zetec (i brake to watch you swerve) FS: SVT rear sway bar WTB: Very cheap beater CEG Dragon Run - October 13-15

Re: Throttle bodies Bah! #745019 09/12/03 12:48 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,195 NE OH P PeppermintPatty Hard-core CEG\'er
PeppermintPatty Hard-core CEG\'er P Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,195 NE OH	Actually, I did mention that I can see better(smoother) AIRFLOW...scientific thinking What we are discussing is THROTTLE RESPONSE(I guess by my own definition would be how quickly the butterfly opens, maybe this is where I am mixed up)... ...If the air is hitting the butterfly w/o it being open(lack of throttle response)...no amount of "optimizing" is gonna help...scientific thinking... If you can't get the butterfly open...you can't take advantage of the "optimized" throttle body... As I also said...I am gonna do this anyway...myself & I can see your point, guess what I am looking at is from the time you put your foot down til the time the car goes bye bye... "I just spend a lotta time with the car, getting to know it and its characteristics. " Gee Krem, I bet you have put alot of miles on the tour ...I think you need a girlfriend j/k 1999 Sportage 4x4...don't go there, it was free ....______o_o .../_l l__\____\ ..\|--l l__----[]\\|/[] .....................oo =( )_)----( )_)--)_)

Re: Throttle bodies Bah! #745020 09/12/03 06:24 PM
Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 2,483 near Tacoma, WA S SleeperZ Hard-core CEG'er
SleeperZ Hard-core CEG'er S Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 2,483 near Tacoma, WA	Originally posted by SVZETEC: Actually, I did mention that I can see better(smoother) AIRFLOW...scientific thinking What we are discussing is THROTTLE RESPONSE(I guess by my own definition would be how quickly the butterfly opens, maybe this is where I am mixed up)... ...If the air is hitting the butterfly w/o it being open(lack of throttle response)...no amount of "optimizing" is gonna help...scientific thinking... If you can't get the butterfly open...you can't take advantage of the "optimized" throttle body... Look at it like this; Bfore optimizng, a 1mm movement in the butterfly allowed only 1 sq in of air (just an arbitrary number) into the engine. After optimizing, a 1mm movement in the butterfly now allows 1.1 sq in of air (again, just an arbitrary number) into the engine. It allows more air into the engine, quicker. Meaning throttle response quickens. Frank McCoy aka Mod-deth aka Mid Life Crisis aka SVT Doood aka mcgainer is a SCAM ARTIST Pre98 Zetec - Some Mods

Re: Throttle bodies Bah! #745021 09/12/03 07:22 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,195 NE OH P PeppermintPatty Hard-core CEG\'er
PeppermintPatty Hard-core CEG\'er P Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,195 NE OH	Originally posted by SleeperZ: Originally posted by SVZETEC: Actually, I did mention that I can see better(smoother) AIRFLOW...scientific thinking What we are discussing is THROTTLE RESPONSE(I guess by my own definition would be how quickly the butterfly opens, maybe this is where I am mixed up)... ...If the air is hitting the butterfly w/o it being open(lack of throttle response)...no amount of "optimizing" is gonna help...scientific thinking... If you can't get the butterfly open...you can't take advantage of the "optimized" throttle body... Look at it like this; Bfore optimizng, a 1mm movement in the butterfly allowed only 1 sq in of air (just an arbitrary number) into the engine. After optimizing, a 1mm movement in the butterfly now allows 1.1 sq in of air (again, just an arbitrary number) into the engine. It allows more air into the engine, quicker. Meaning throttle response quickens. I know all of this...my point was getting the butterfly open quicker [in order to] allow the air in ...whereby tightening any slack in the actual cable itself could improve upon this action, not the action of airflow, which is a direct [secondary]result of the open butterfly... Please no more...I was only entertaining myself last night after a few beverages anyway...it ain't no thang. Kinda funny how when you bring a subject up in the form of a debate, how you can get all kinds of answers w/o being told "search" 1999 Sportage 4x4...don't go there, it was free ....______o_o .../_l l__\____\ ..\|--l l__----[]\\|/[] .....................oo =( )_)----( )_)--)_)

Re: Throttle bodies Bah! #745022 09/12/03 08:29 PM
Joined: May 2002 Posts: 21,653 Albany, Georgia K Kremithefrog I have no life
Kremithefrog I have no life K Joined: May 2002 Posts: 21,653 Albany, Georgia	Originally posted by SVZETEC: Gee Krem, I bet you have put alot of miles on the tour ...I think you need a girlfriend j/k I think I do too. As long as she doesn't take any of my car modifying money away..... 98.5 SVT 91 Escort GT (almost sold) 96 ATX Zetec (i brake to watch you swerve) FS: SVT rear sway bar WTB: Very cheap beater CEG Dragon Run - October 13-15

Re: Throttle bodies Bah! #745023 09/12/03 08:51 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,195 NE OH P PeppermintPatty Hard-core CEG\'er
PeppermintPatty Hard-core CEG\'er P Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 3,195 NE OH	Edit:...you need a RICH girlfriend 1999 Sportage 4x4...don't go there, it was free ....______o_o .../_l l__\____\ ..\|--l l__----[]\\|/[] .....................oo =( )_)----( )_)--)_)

Re: Throttle bodies #745024 09/13/03 12:17 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 192 A anthonyconstant CEG\'er
anthonyconstant CEG\'er A Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 192	Originally posted by swfblade: Was lookin at the newBs mods bit saw this - Optimized throttle body- www.buckshotmotorsports.com What sort of power gain would this give? what year is your car?

Re: Throttle bodies #745025 09/13/03 12:39 AM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 9 S swfblade OP Newbie
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Re: Throttle bodies Bah! #745026 09/13/03 05:20 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 165 Loveland, CO O Oeneus CEG\'er
Oeneus CEG\'er O Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 165 Loveland, CO	Originally posted by SVZETEC: Please no more...I was only entertaining myself last night after a few beverages anyway... I think all people should list thier drinks for the night when they post, maybe less egos would get in the way... Contour--It will make a master mechanic out of you! 95 LX MTX Bolt-ons 95 Neon SOHC ATX 77 Dodge Powerwagon-more displacement than my Neon, Contour, and wife's Saturn---combined!

Re: Throttle bodies Bah! #745027 09/15/03 12:56 AM
Joined: May 2003 Posts: 5,621 New Jersey R R_G Hard-core CEG'er
R_G Hard-core CEG'er R Joined: May 2003 Posts: 5,621 New Jersey	Originally posted by SleeperZ: Very few mods really gives a noticable increase in performance on any car. Indeed so MY CAR

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