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Originally posted by Drumbo:
Another line -- called Crystal Purple, or Deep Purple, or Ozzie's Blend, or somesuch -- also has a good rep, I'm told -- but I've never used it ... obviously.
I think it's called, "Sexy Chocolate."
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Originally posted by RogerB:
Mobile 1 gives me all the synth advantages I need at considerably less cost and hassle.
Agreed.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Originally posted by RogerB:
Mobile 1 gives me all the synth advantages I need at considerably less cost and hassle.
Agreed.
"... less cost and hassle"?
I change the Amsoil in my CSVT every 15K mi, which, for me, amounts to one change per year. Annual cost, including "add oil": about $50, MINUS the value of time-saved by not having to do an oil change every 3K.
Next change, I'll send a sample to Cleveland Tech to gauge how how much servicable life the oil has at 15K.
How many times per year do you guys do an oil change?
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Originally posted by Drumbo:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Originally posted by RogerB:
Mobile 1 gives me all the synth advantages I need at considerably less cost and hassle.
Agreed.
"... less cost and hassle"?
I change the Amsoil in my CSVT every 15K mi, which, for me, amounts to one change per year. Annual cost, including "add oil": about $50, MINUS the value of time-saved by not having to do an oil change every 3K.
Next change, I'll send a sample to Cleveland Tech to gauge how how much servicable life the oil has at 15K.
How many times per year do you guys do an oil change?
Let's see, I've had the car since January of 96, and it has about 61,000 miles on it, so that comes to just over 8,000 miles per year. That's average, so it includes the first couple of years, in which I generally put more miles on the car than I do now. So the 25,000 mile a year sales pitch, and even the 12k/year pitch, don't really apply to me. (I've never changed at 3k intervals, either.) I'll bet that if I wanted to, I could go a full year with Mobil 1, get the oil analyzed, and learn that I'm doing just fine.
One thing that has changed, is that AMsoil seems to be running a bit cheaper now. I suppose it's worth another look.
Function before fashion.
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You don't HAVE to change mobil1 at 3k miles either. Where is the proof saying that mobil1 can't do the same intervals as amsoil? Changing the oil really isn't a hassle, finding oil at a good price is. I can't get amsoil locally, and it costs a bit more than mobil1, then add shipping. And it cost more and was more of a hassle to get.
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Originally posted by RogerB:
Originally posted by Drumbo:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Originally posted by RogerB:
Mobile 1 gives me all the synth advantages I need at considerably less cost and hassle.
Agreed.
"... less cost and hassle"?
I change the Amsoil in my CSVT every 15K mi, which, for me, amounts to one change per year. Annual cost, including "add oil": about $50, MINUS the value of time-saved by not having to do an oil change every 3K.
Next change, I'll send a sample to Cleveland Tech to gauge how how much servicable life the oil has at 15K.
How many times per year do you guys do an oil change?
Let's see, I've had the car since January of 96, and it has about 61,000 miles on it, so that comes to just over 8,000 miles per year. That's average, so it includes the first couple of years, in which I generally put more miles on the car than I do now. So the 25,000 mile a year sales pitch, and even the 12k/year pitch, don't really apply to me. (I've never changed at 3k intervals, either.) I'll bet that if I wanted to, I could go a full year with Mobil 1, get the oil analyzed, and learn that I'm doing just fine.
One thing that has changed, is that AMsoil seems to be running a bit cheaper now. I suppose it's worth another look.
Well, yah, Rog, unless my Amsoil guy has been subsidizing my purchases, Amsoil has been running a "bit cheaper" (AKA "more competitively priced") for about the past two years.
So, Now Hear This: With no promise of any future attention to this on my part, this a rewording of my "Not-An-Amsoil-Apostle" disclaimer:
Everything about Amsoil I've put out on this website is based on my 16 year's worth of experience as an Amsoil user.
It is intended for general consumption.
It is not intended to incite or inspire anyone to engage me in any exchange about their personal or quasi-religious devotion to their particular motor oil brand-of-choice.
If you prefer to run Mobil 1, run Mobil 1. Mobil 1 is a perfectly respectable product ... If I couldn't get Amsoil, I'd use Mobil 1 in a heartbeat. But, with Internet access, sourcing Amsoil is as easy as going to
http://www.amsoil.com/
Meantime, Rog, get that M1 tested, then post the report as a .pdf here.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Where is the proof saying that mobil1 can't do the same intervals as amsoil?
You need to get back to ExxonMobil on that one, KTF.
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Originally posted by Drumbo:
Originally posted by RogerB:
Originally posted by Drumbo:
Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Originally posted by RogerB:
Mobile 1 gives me all the synth advantages I need at considerably less cost and hassle.
Agreed.
"... less cost and hassle"?
I change the Amsoil in my CSVT every 15K mi, which, for me, amounts to one change per year. Annual cost, including "add oil": about $50, MINUS the value of time-saved by not having to do an oil change every 3K.
Next change, I'll send a sample to Cleveland Tech to gauge how how much servicable life the oil has at 15K.
How many times per year do you guys do an oil change?
Let's see, I've had the car since January of 96, and it has about 61,000 miles on it, so that comes to just over 8,000 miles per year. That's average, so it includes the first couple of years, in which I generally put more miles on the car than I do now. So the 25,000 mile a year sales pitch, and even the 12k/year pitch, don't really apply to me. (I've never changed at 3k intervals, either.) I'll bet that if I wanted to, I could go a full year with Mobil 1, get the oil analyzed, and learn that I'm doing just fine.
One thing that has changed, is that AMsoil seems to be running a bit cheaper now. I suppose it's worth another look.
Well, yah, Rog, unless my Amsoil guy has been subsidizing my purchases, Amsoil has been running a "bit cheaper" (AKA "more competitively priced") for about the past two years.
So, Now Hear This: With no promise of any future attention to this on my part, this a rewording of my "Not-An-Amsoil-Apostle" disclaimer:
Everything about Amsoil I've put out on this website is based on my 16 year's worth of experience as an Amsoil user.
It is intended for general consumption.
It is not intended to incite or inspire anyone to engage me in any exchange about their personal or quasi-religious devotion to their particular motor oil brand-of-choice.
If you prefer to run Mobil 1, run Mobil 1. Mobil 1 is a perfectly respectable product ... If I couldn't get Amsoil, I'd use Mobil 1 in a heartbeat. But, with Internet access, sourcing Amsoil is as easy as going to
http://www.amsoil.com/
Meantime, Rog, get that M1 tested, then post the report as a .pdf here.
My "devotion" to Mobil 1 is based entirely on logic, and, as such, is subject to derailment by new information.
2 years? Look, I have too much to do to keep repeating research every few months. (And because I'm such a geek, a seemingly simple decision like, "which motor oil?" is a major decision requiring lots of research.  )
Function before fashion.
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OK, so rather than just guessing, I ran the whole exercise again.
Comparing the two oils, yes, Amsoil beats Mobil 1 on VI, Flashpoint, and pour point, but both oils are superior to anything else I found data for. (Remember we're also trying to stay close to the same price point.) Enough said about that.
According to the Amsoil website, their 5W-30 is $5.85/quart. Take that times 6 (if you don't know why, search) and add shipping and it comes to $41.80 per oil change. The 5-quart Mobil 1 jug, plus an extra quart, plus tax, comes to about $26, locally.
Now, the argument is that because Amsoil can be changed less frequently, it's actually cheaper. That's true for some. Is it true for me?
Amsoil's recommended change interval is 25,000 miles, or once a year. As I said earlier, my yearly average is only 8,000 miles. That translates to a Mobil 1 oil change about every 7 or 8 months. If I start with an oil change in January of 2004, and run the intervals and costs out on both oils as far as the year 2027, the Mobil 1 is still cheaper by about $40 dollars. (By then I'll be 60, and my Contour will have about 250,000 miles.)
Now, $40 may not seem like much, and you could argue that it's worth more than $40 just to do fewer oil changes. But in the here and now, time and sweat are cheap, and money is tight.
Of course, all of this is based on current prices and car usage. If anything changes, I'll have to reexamine. And in 24 years, a lot can change.
Function before fashion.
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Originally posted by RogerB:
OK, so rather than just guessing, I ran the whole exercise again.
Comparing the two oils, yes, Amsoil beats Mobil 1 on VI, Flashpoint, and pour point, but both oils are superior to anything else I found data for. (Remember we're also trying to stay close to the same price point.) Enough said about that.
According to the Amsoil website, their 5W-30 is $5.85/quart. Take that times 6 (if you don't know why, search) and add shipping and it comes to $41.80 per oil change. The 5-quart Mobil 1 jug, plus an extra quart, plus tax, comes to about $26, locally.
Now, the argument is that because Amsoil can be changed less frequently, it's actually cheaper. That's true for some. Is it true for me?
Amsoil's recommended change interval is 25,000 miles, or once a year. As I said earlier, my yearly average is only 8,000 miles. That translates to a Mobil 1 oil change about every 7 or 8 months. If I start with an oil change in January of 2004, and run the intervals and costs out on both oils as far as the year 2027, the Mobil 1 is still cheaper by about $40 dollars. (By then I'll be 60, and my Contour will have about 250,000 miles.)
Now, $40 may not seem like much, and you could argue that it's worth more than $40 just to do fewer oil changes. But in the here and now, time and sweat are cheap, and money is tight.
Of course, all of this is based on current prices and car usage. If anything changes, I'll have to reexamine. And in 24 years, a lot can change.
First off, Rog, apologies for the format-confusion. I didn't mean to imply that your oil preference is driven by "quasi-religious" brand devotion.
By using the "quote" reply mode, I was trying to maintain the overall context of the exchange ... And signal that all further CEG'er "contributions" amounting to little more than a "my-oil's-better-than-your-oil" pissing contest will be ignored.
Your reasons for preferring M1 seem quite sound to me. And, frankly, even if I thought otherwise, I wouldn't question your judgement.
Like I've said right along, I'm not on a mission. My comments about Amsoil are based on my personal experience over a long period of time and largely under extreme (XR4Ti turbo car + 12 Texas summers), "acid-test" conditions. Nothing more, nothing less.
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