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Originally posted by Drumbo:
Originally posted by bullion:
I just changed the oil in my 98' CSVT. I used Mobil 1 fully synthetic oil with a Fram oil filter. About how many miles can I drive before it should be changed again? Thanks
Depends on the synlube.
BACKGROUND: Despite 30 years of API-standard test data that overwhelmingly substantiate Amsoil's first-to-market and first-to-patent primacy across the entire spectrum of synlube/grease apps, most (but not all) of the CEG crew seem to have a collective blind-spot towards Amsoil. Whether this bias is merely due to the culture of the CEG forum or is somehow driven by ExxonMobil shills is way beyond my ability to pinpoint.
I've seen this alot, and I'm curious why amsoil is considered the first synthetic oil? Were they just the first to patent it for the general automotive industry?
Mobils synthetic bearing lube came out in the early 60's (putting mobil synthetics 10 years ahead of amsoil???), there big rig diesel syn oil came out in the late 60's and and they've been selling general automotive syn oil since 73. What about amsoil gives them the first to market bragging rights?
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Originally posted by ScottK:
Originally posted by Drumbo:
Originally posted by bullion:
I just changed the oil in my 98' CSVT. I used Mobil 1 fully synthetic oil with a Fram oil filter. About how many miles can I drive before it should be changed again? Thanks
Depends on the synlube.
BACKGROUND: Despite 30 years of API-standard test data that overwhelmingly substantiate Amsoil's first-to-market and first-to-patent primacy across the entire spectrum of synlube/grease apps, most (but not all) of the CEG crew seem to have a collective blind-spot towards Amsoil. Whether this bias is merely due to the culture of the CEG forum or is somehow driven by ExxonMobil shills is way beyond my ability to pinpoint.
I've seen this alot, and I'm curious why amsoil is considered the first synthetic oil? Were they just the first to patent it for the general automotive industry?
Mobils synthetic bearing lube came out in the early 60's (putting mobil synthetics 10 years ahead of amsoil???), there big rig diesel syn oil came out in the late 60's and and they've been selling general automotive syn oil since 73. What about amsoil gives them the first to market bragging rights?
Were they just the first to patent it for the general automotive industry?
Yes, they were "just the first". Read and learn ...
Amsoil was founded by Al Amatuzio, a former USAF fighter-jock/pilot/trainer ... whatever.
The point is: While flying for the USAF, Amatuzio got the brilliant idea that the synthetic lubes used by the USAF to keep high-altitude aircraft from seizing-up under extreme cold conditions also could have earth-bound, automotive and other mechanical applications. That was 30 years ago.
He was soooo right. Amsoil, the company he started 30 years ago, has a 15-year jump on the general synlube market -- during which time Amsoil's R&D Dept came up with and patented essentially all the synlube fundamentals that ExxonMobil and a host of other synlube wannabes would now cut off their <insert sacrificial reproductive organ here> to own.
As I've said, as long as Amsoil remains true to their mission, Amsoil lubes are the ONLY lubes my car(s) will see for the foreseeable future. Done. Period. Case closed.
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Your statements above are ludicrous!
The last I checked, Amsoil does NOT make any of their base lube stocks at all and buy these from OTHER companies. I don't beleive they manufacture ANY of the motor oil components!
They are only a blender!
What is their R&D dept doing? Researching other companies' products? You could never compare the R&D budget of tiny Amsoil with a huge, technically advanced mega-conglomerate of ExxonMobil!
If Amsoil was so good, you would see a lot more racing teams (I.E., Formula 1, IRL, NASCAR, etc.) using it and not Mobil 1!
I am not condemning their products, which are probably good, buy to say they are the best is not credible. Also, who wants to track down a rep to but a few quarts when one can get Mobil 1, Pennzoil, or others at their local Walmart, Kmart and a thousand other places?
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Originally posted by DanB:
Your statements above are ludicrous!
The last I checked, Amsoil does NOT make any of their base lube stocks at all and buy these from OTHER companies. I don't beleive they manufacture ANY of the motor oil components!
They are only a blender!
What is their R&D dept doing? Researching other companies' products? You could never compare the R&D budget of tiny Amsoil with a huge, technically advanced mega-conglomerate of ExxonMobil!
If Amsoil was so good, you would see a lot more racing teams (I.E., Formula 1, IRL, NASCAR, etc.) using it and not Mobil 1!
I am not condemning their products, which are probably good, buy to say they are the best is not credible. Also, who wants to track down a rep to but a few quarts when one can get Mobil 1, Pennzoil, or others at their local Walmart, Kmart and a thousand other places?
"... who wants to track down a rep to but a few quarts when one can get Mobil 1, Pennzoil, or others at their local Walmart, Kmart and a thousand other places?"
I do.
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Originally posted by Drumbo:
Originally posted by DanB:
Your statements above are ludicrous!
The last I checked, Amsoil does NOT make any of their base lube stocks at all and buy these from OTHER companies. I don't beleive they manufacture ANY of the motor oil components!
They are only a blender!
What is their R&D dept doing? Researching other companies' products? You could never compare the R&D budget of tiny Amsoil with a huge, technically advanced mega-conglomerate of ExxonMobil!
If Amsoil was so good, you would see a lot more racing teams (I.E., Formula 1, IRL, NASCAR, etc.) using it and not Mobil 1!
I am not condemning their products, which are probably good, buy to say they are the best is not credible. Also, who wants to track down a rep to but a few quarts when one can get Mobil 1, Pennzoil, or others at their local Walmart, Kmart and a thousand other places?
"... who wants to track down a rep to but a few quarts when one can get Mobil 1, Pennzoil, or others at their local Walmart, Kmart and a thousand other places?"
I do.
Me too
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Originally posted by Drumbo:
Originally posted by ScottK:
Originally posted by Drumbo:
Originally posted by bullion:
I just changed the oil in my 98' CSVT. I used Mobil 1 fully synthetic oil with a Fram oil filter. About how many miles can I drive before it should be changed again? Thanks
Depends on the synlube.
I've seen this alot, and I'm curious why amsoil is considered the first synthetic oil? Were they just the first to patent it for the general automotive industry?
Mobils synthetic bearing lube came out in the early 60's (putting mobil synthetics 10 years ahead of amsoil???), there big rig diesel syn oil came out in the late 60's and and they've been selling general automotive syn oil since 73. What about amsoil gives them the first to market bragging rights?
Were they just the first to patent it for the general automotive industry?
Yes, they were "just the first". Read and learn ...
Amsoil was founded by Al Amatuzio, a former USAF fighter-jock/pilot/trainer ... whatever.
The point is: While flying for the USAF, Amatuzio got the brilliant idea that the synthetic lubes used by the USAF to keep high-altitude aircraft from seizing-up under extreme cold conditions also could have earth-bound, automotive and other mechanical applications. That was 30 years ago.
He was soooo right. Amsoil, the company he started 30 years ago, has a 15-year jump on the general synlube market -- during which time Amsoil's R&D Dept came up with and patented essentially all the synlube fundamentals that ExxonMobil and a host of other synlube wannabes would now cut off their <insert sacrificial reproductive organ here> to own.
As I've said, as long as Amsoil remains true to their mission, Amsoil lubes are the ONLY lubes my car(s) will see for the foreseeable future. Done. Period. Case closed.
I recognize it may look like I'm trying to bash amsoil - I'm not. I'm just trying to understand how good there company / product is, and so far I haven't seen a lot of proof that there claims are substantiated. I'm also concerned that they use a formula that auto makers claim to be catalyst damaging (hence no api certification) - even if that hasn't been proved out.
I assume it is a good oil, as are all synthetics and even todays non synthetics. I'm just trying to figure out what makes it worth the premium price for a non API certified blend?
As for patents - a quick search of the patent database http://www.uspto.gov/patft/ shows exactly 0 patentss issued to amsoil or Amatuzio since 1975. (Mobil had 700+ patents with the word "oil" in the abstract). I am curious if they really are developing new proprietary oils, why they never patent them?
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Originally posted by ScottK:
Originally posted by Drumbo:
Originally posted by ScottK:
Originally posted by Drumbo:
Originally posted by bullion:
I just changed the oil in my 98' CSVT. I used Mobil 1 fully synthetic oil with a Fram oil filter. About how many miles can I drive before it should be changed again? Thanks
Depends on the synlube.
I've seen this alot, and I'm curious why amsoil is considered the first synthetic oil? Were they just the first to patent it for the general automotive industry?
Mobils synthetic bearing lube came out in the early 60's (putting mobil synthetics 10 years ahead of amsoil???), there big rig diesel syn oil came out in the late 60's and and they've been selling general automotive syn oil since 73. What about amsoil gives them the first to market bragging rights?
Were they just the first to patent it for the general automotive industry?
Yes, they were "just the first". Read and learn ...
Amsoil was founded by Al Amatuzio, a former USAF fighter-jock/pilot/trainer ... whatever.
The point is: While flying for the USAF, Amatuzio got the brilliant idea that the synthetic lubes used by the USAF to keep high-altitude aircraft from seizing-up under extreme cold conditions also could have earth-bound, automotive and other mechanical applications. That was 30 years ago.
He was soooo right. Amsoil, the company he started 30 years ago, has a 15-year jump on the general synlube market -- during which time Amsoil's R&D Dept came up with and patented essentially all the synlube fundamentals that ExxonMobil and a host of other synlube wannabes would now cut off their <insert sacrificial reproductive organ here> to own.
As I've said, as long as Amsoil remains true to their mission, Amsoil lubes are the ONLY lubes my car(s) will see for the foreseeable future. Done. Period. Case closed.
I recognize it may look like I'm trying to bash amsoil - I'm not. I'm just trying to understand how good there company / product is, and so far I haven't seen a lot of proof that there claims are substantiated. I'm also concerned that they use a formula that auto makers claim to be catalyst damaging (hence no api certification) - even if that hasn't been proved out.
I assume it is a good oil, as are all synthetics and even todays non synthetics. I'm just trying to figure out what makes it worth the premium price for a non API certified blend?
As for patents - a quick search of the patent database http://www.uspto.gov/patft/ shows exactly 0 patentss issued to amsoil or Amatuzio since 1975. (Mobil had 700+ patents with the word "oil" in the abstract). I am curious if they really are developing new proprietary oils, why they never patent them?
As their label indicates, Amsoil 100% synths are not a "blend" -- they're 100% synthetic.
As their label also indicates, they are -- and always have been -- API certified.
Your research seems to have a few holes. Maybe you should redo it.
BTW -- Would you happen to be a former customer of Tommy Chong?
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It's because they used the same oil they've been making for 30 years because it's that good.... Actually I don't know. 
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
It's because they used the same oil they've been making for 30 years because it's that good.... Actually I don't know.
Actually, KTF, year-after-year, Amsoil has continually refined their product line across the board.
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Originally posted by Drumbo:
As their label indicates, Amsoil 100% synths are not a "blend" -- they're 100% synthetic.
As their label also indicates, they are -- and always have been -- API certified.
Your research seems to have a few holes. Maybe you should redo it.
BTW -- Would you happen to be a former customer of Tommy Chong?
re blend:
by blend I did not mean conventional / syn blend, but an off the shelf syn. base stock with some amsoil specific additives.
re api -
maybe they should tell the api that all there oil is certified??? 
http://eolcs.api.org/DisplayLicenseInfo.asp?LicenseNo=0995
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