but the mk3 gti's with a vr6 certainly are sweet. my friend has one, but he NEVER drives it like he should. It was funny because he brought in a Euro VW magazine yesterday and it had a 10 page article on sleepers, so I looked at it and it was funny as hell. Every car in the article ranged from high 15s to low 17s. Doesn't sound like a sleeper to me...