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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
California..

Scenic but a bit too much desert. Weather is nice but a bit monotonous. Pacific Ocean is great but South Atlantic seaboard nice too.

Taxes (& unchecked non-taxpayers)
Cost of living
Rediculous property costs
Earthquakes
Celebs
Liberals..this is a biggy..
A political freak show is better than most comedy movies..

How do you stand it??






Reminds me of France on a lesser scale. Great wine, wonderful countryside in places, but GOD, the left-wing wacko factor I've run into in Palo Alto, San Fran and San Jose just scares the bejezus out of me:

Not unlike the socialist snobs that I had to go to school with in Paris and Clermont-Ferrand, for the most part.

It's a great place to visit, but I wouldn't live there unless I was pulling in 7-figures easy, given the amount of financial screwage that seems so prevalent there in terms of taxes, cost of living, etc...


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Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
California..

Scenic but a bit too much desert. Weather is nice but a bit monotonous. Pacific Ocean is great but South Atlantic seaboard nice too.

Taxes (& unchecked non-taxpayers)
Cost of living
Rediculous property costs
Earthquakes
Celebs
Liberals..this is a biggy..
A political freak show is better than most comedy movies..

How do you stand it??





Not nearlt as much desert as you think,mainly eastern so-cal is desert.

Been to Miami,South Atlantic is nice but I prefer San Diego beaches. (personnel preference really on that one)

Taxes: cant really argue, matter of fact I agree.

C.O.L.: Higher pay also you can live for a lot cheaper if you go to central valley or far northern cali. Redding,Eureka, Humboldt county,etc..

Property costs: see above and it all comes down to location,quality of construction, size of residence.

Earthquakes: major ones happen about once every 10-15 years,have lived through the last 2 major ones 89'in San Francisco, and was in L.A. for 94' Northridge. They are a little scary but are over in a min or less with less property damge and loss of life usually then one bad hurricane season on the east coast or a bad year in tornado alley.

Celebs: Don't really bug me unless they spout of their retarded un-educated opinions,then I just don't listen.

Liberals: Can't argue there it is a liberal hot bed but most of their opinions and decisions don't bother me except for the gun laws but it is a sacrifice I make to live here, cuase I love it.

Politics: Have been screwed since Reagan was governer but with all the liberals here it will be hard to get the republicans in a majority position. Arnold might get elected, but he is a real liberal republican. So we are kinda screwed.

All in all the pro's outweigh the con's for me at least. But it all comes down to personel preference.

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Originally posted by JaTo:

but GOD, the left-wing wacko factor I've run into in Palo Alto, San Fran and San Jose just scares the bejezus out of me:




Grew up in the Bay Area and can say the left wingers are worse up there than they are down here in so-cal. I wouldn't want to live in nor-cal again, not knocking it just prefer so-cal now.

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This is how big of a joke the recall election has become:

Arnold a beef taco?

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Originally posted by SooVooT:
Originally posted by Fmr12B:
Born and raised in Cali

yeah things are a bit screwed up but the weathers great


No one here really cares and the topic of conversation is definitely not the recall. I havent really heard anyone talk about it around the watercooler so I just pass it off.

Bustamnate or Schwarzanegger will be our next Gov.




Probably not many people around the water cooler since 750,000 of them moved out of the state last year along with several businesses. You're right, nobody cares.




If you had to pay high taxes, high fuel prices, had to suffer brownouts, etc. would YOU stay?

Anyone who willingly chooses to live in or move to California is, IMHO, insane.

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Originally posted by PackRat:
Originally posted by SooVooT:
Originally posted by Fmr12B:
Born and raised in Cali

yeah things are a bit screwed up but the weathers great


No one here really cares and the topic of conversation is definitely not the recall. I havent really heard anyone talk about it around the watercooler so I just pass it off.

Bustamnate or Schwarzanegger will be our next Gov.




Probably not many people around the water cooler since 750,000 of them moved out of the state last year along with several businesses. You're right, nobody cares.




If you had to pay high taxes, high fuel prices, had to suffer brownouts, etc. would YOU stay?



Anyone who willingly chooses to live in or move to California is, IMHO, insane.




You must not have lived there for any long length of time then. I'll take ANY part of cali over this craphole state of NM ANY DAY.


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Originally posted by PackRat:
Originally posted by SooVooT:
Originally posted by Fmr12B:
Born and raised in Cali

yeah things are a bit screwed up but the weathers great


No one here really cares and the topic of conversation is definitely not the recall. I havent really heard anyone talk about it around the watercooler so I just pass it off.

Bustamnate or Schwarzanegger will be our next Gov.




Probably not many people around the water cooler since 750,000 of them moved out of the state last year along with several businesses. You're right, nobody cares.




If you had to pay high taxes, high fuel prices, had to suffer brownouts, etc. would YOU stay?

Anyone who willingly chooses to live in or move to California is, IMHO, insane.




Taxes are a little high but not as high as some ppl think.
I paid 1.89 for premium this morning.
Haven't had a brown out in 2 years,even when we did my power never went out.
I have been to no less then 15 other states and would never live any other place in the the states including Hawaii.

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Originally posted by freakshow:
Originally posted by PackRat:
Originally posted by SooVooT:
Originally posted by Fmr12B:
Born and raised in Cali

yeah things are a bit screwed up but the weathers great


No one here really cares and the topic of conversation is definitely not the recall. I havent really heard anyone talk about it around the watercooler so I just pass it off.

Bustamnate or Schwarzanegger will be our next Gov.




Probably not many people around the water cooler since 750,000 of them moved out of the state last year along with several businesses. You're right, nobody cares.




If you had to pay high taxes, high fuel prices, had to suffer brownouts, etc. would YOU stay?



Anyone who willingly chooses to live in or move to California is, IMHO, insane.




You must not have lived there for any long length of time then. I'll take ANY part of cali over this craphole state of NM ANY DAY.




I've been there enough thank you very much.

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Taxes are a little high but not as high as some ppl think.
I paid 1.89 for premium this morning.
Haven't had a brown out in 2 years,even when we did my power never went out.
I have been to no less then 15 other states and would never live any other place in the the states including Hawaii.



Doesn't change my opinion that you're a nut.

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Well I guess I can givem ore of a perspective than most as I went to college in the most liberal of all places, Eugene Oregon, University of Oregon. Also spent 3 years in the Army, stationed in the midwest (Missouri). Business travel keeps my perspectives in line.

I get paid well, not insanely well but I am 3yrs out of college, someone with 6yrs in Portland Oregon gets paid less than I do! Sure I can't buy a house, my rent is $1500/month and the average house in Silicon Valley is around $550K now. Remember this is not a small town, Bay Area has 6.5 million people in it. Oakland-San Fran-San Jose so wherever you go its spendy, no moving 40 miles away to escape the costs, its all spendy!

Weather here in the BAY rarely gets over 85, I live in the South bay so we don't have Fog like San Fran. We rarely drop below 40 in the winter at night, and average daily highs in Winter is around 65.

Tahoe is 3.5hrs away, Reno is 4hrs and hell Santa Cruz beach is a scenic 30 minute drive. Napa Valley is an hr drive, Laguna Seca 1hr, Infineon -Sears Point 1hr, I have performing arts, pro sports, eclectic people, business people, and the traffic isn't all that horrible.

Sure it cost me over $30 to fill my tank at Costco today, Damn Arizona pipeline! but my car has no rust, looks showroom on the underside and few potholes. No snowtires either!

Lots of illegals but they help keep the costs down. I like the different cultures and I like my daughter growing up around it. Best damn Taquerias! She is becoming quite worldy and [flame suit on] The Indians, Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese all promote good study skill in my daughters classrooms.[/off] Mexicans are the worst in the schools and we live in a decent enough area and know the school district to have her in a well to do school.

Liberalism, honestly, I don't see it. I am a consultant in the finance function and I deal with start-ups and big business in the tech industry everyday, everyone is looking at how to make a buck. Economics = Republicans.

Us Nor-Cal'ers don't want to move down south to So Cal, we feel the people there are fake! All about the hair, cars, makeup and plastic (.)(.). We enjoy the outdoors more up here, and things people on the East Coast and midwest always forget is since the West was inhabitaed last by the settlers we have tons of land set aside for State and National parks. Our beaches are pristine!

I loved Boston, my favorite palce outside of the area, people were highly educated just like here, few manufacturing jobs keeps the area beautiful as well. No smog in the Bay, and a crisp breeze nightly blows out all the pollutants to the hills.

Dallas was nice, big city feel but too damn flat and hot. No mountians and a long drive to the Ocean.

Birmingham....... the south forget about it! Whole south feels ignorant, people just didn't seem too intelligent to me. I know I'm stereotyping, but that how it felt in Memphis, Mississippi, Arkansas and Alabama.

St. Louis...... like it, but damn cold in the winters and the humidity! Skiing? Where exactly is the nearest Mountin, your Ozarks hils don't count!

Props to the west coast for having no large insects, no water dwelling snakes, no snapping turtles and HIGH environmental standards. I'll gladly pay my taxes to keep the water/air clean!

Earthquakes.......sure last one was in 1988 but we rarely have floods, no Tornados, No Hurricanes, and No snowstorms.

When I decide I want to buy a house, I'll move, until then I save my cash and enjoy the weather and the scenery


Say what you want but I love this state!


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Originally posted by SooVooT:

Probably not many people around the water cooler since 750,000 of them moved out of the state last year along with several businesses. You're right, nobody cares.




if all these people have really left california why are the freeways stacked up by 2 o clock ...no one has left this state in 20 yrs

meanwhile to capitalize on the embarrassment of our gov race here...taco smell has launched their own election...if u buy a beef taco u're voting for arnie schwartzenjammer...if u buy chicken u're voting for gray davis...if u buy a grilled stuffed burrito u're voting for anyone else ...they will post 'results' weekly at all taco smells

whats a good state to move to when u're ashamed of your home state


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