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I have a '95 LE V-6, which has discs brakes all around (but no ABS) and a 5-speed, total mileage
about 128,000. Having experienced substantial vibrations at highway speeds, I have done
the following:

1) replaced tires
2) replaced steel wheels with alloy wheels (torque spec is 62 ft-lbs)
3) replaced front rotors and pads with stock items
4) replaced rear rotors and pads with stock items

Vibrations were almost completely eliminated, but...

On a 1000 mile trip (following about 400 miles of city driving after completing #4 above), the car started strong vibrations on braking from highway speeds 900 miles into the trip. These vibrations are only
noticed on moderate to hard braking, not while driving. These vibrations were not felt so much in the steering wheel, but more in the pedal and in the of my pants. Vibrations diminished significantly below 35 mph, but when coming to a complete stop, it feels as though the brakes are pulsing, though not at all like ABS. I noticed on the rear discs a narrow band close to the hub where the pads were not fully engaging
the discs and a slight rust film developing. As a result, I replaced first one rear caliper (driver side)
and then the other (passenger side). The pads are now fully engaging, but...

The vibration/shudder, although diminished, remains.

Suggestions?


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Front Caliper PINS
Lubricate with silicon dielectric grease every 12,000 miles.
Start now by replacing the Pins and Bushings. Inexpensive and easy to do.


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Thanks. I'll check them again. Any static diagnostic test?

In replacing front rotors and pads, the pins were re-lubed. Are the bushings you refer to in the calipers themselves? Also, the vibrations that I feel are not the same as when the old front rotors were in place, which resulted in fairly vigorous steering wheel deflection. If it were the pins/bushings, should I expect the same vigorous wheel action?

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For the front caliber pins you can get special disc break caliber lube.

As for your problem it could be a whole lot of things.

Do the inexpensive stuff first.

Caliber pins.
Check your lower control arm, ball joints and tie rods for ware. Any movement of the front tires during breaking can cause vibration (often mistaken for bad rotors).
A damaged flexible break line (you canā??t tell by looking at it) will restrict fluid as it returns to the master cylinder. This will delay break release and cause hi temps and pulling. Sometimes this is mistaken for a bad caliber.
Check all four disks and hubs for run-out.

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You did not say that you turned the rotors.

Before rotors are turned they should be inspected for thickness variations.
After rotors are turned they should be inspected for discolored areas.

Extreme heat makes spots on the rotors which are harder, and resist wear. These areas become raised and cause increasing pulsation as the rest of the rotor wears. If this is the case, the rotors must be replaced.

Always follow procedure for seating and conditioning new brakes.


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Thanks for the reply. This may sound a bit naive, but the rotors are new on the rear and almost new on the front. Should new-from-the-box rotors need turning?
The front set came from Advance Auto, while the rears came from BAT.

Would improper conditioning, particularly of the rear brakes, cause this problem? What is the best procedure for conditioning new brakes.

I did recall (or my wife recalled) that on the 1000 mile trip, the parking brake got left on for about 300 feet while leaving a rest stop at about mile 600.

I should say that after installing the new rear calipers, the rust film (presumably from non-contact by the pads) is gone.

What do you think - get them turned anyway?


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you can go the cheap route.. if the rotors seem to be in good condition you can take some 200 grit sandpaper and with the rotors off make some circles all(small ones like 2 to 4 inches all around the rotors on both sides. this will get the semi-metalic particles that are imbedded into the rotor from the pads off.... and take it easy on the new brakes as you have to let the pads wear to set themsleves in place.. no hard braking.. bet on that 1000 trip you did some hard braking and that is the cause of the braks failure/vibration........
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It costs me $15 per rotor for turning. Thats inexpensive.
Good advice on suspension stuff.
I turned the rotors , changed pads , installed new calipers on the front for the '95 and it brakes without a shake. The '97 on the other hand has the shake, to date all I've done is the rubber bushing - result : slightly less shaking - improvment. I will be turning the rotors and replacing the calipers - and I expect it to be perfect........well I can hope.....


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First, no, new rotors usually do not need to be turned.

Rotors do not have to be turned unless the surfaces are grooved more than about 0.015 inch, or they have runout or thickness variations.

When starting brake repair, take notes.
  • existing brake symptoms
  • pad thickness (if uneven - make notes)
  • Rotor (or drum) wear patterns and thickness
  • condition of hardwear stops (caliper and nuckle or drum backing plate(guide pins also)
  • piston smoothness
  • condition of studs and lugnuts
  • condition of parking brake

These notes will help you decide what to replace during brake installation, and help diagnose recurring problems. New rotors should be thouroughly degreased. Either by washing in hot soapy water, spraying with brake cleaner, or better yet - both.

Guide pins should be greased with a suitable high temperature lube. The guide pins help keep the pads square to the rotor. They bear no brakeing load. If they stick (worn or rusty spots cause this) they will cause rapid wear of one or both pads.

The stop surface of the caliper provides the leverage for braking. This surface also allows the caliper to slide inboard as the pads wear. Any damage to this surface, or the corresponding surface for the knuckle, will cause the caliper to cock or grab. Cocking of the caliper causes uneven wear of the pad. Grabbing will cause increased effort, severe pad wear, and sometimes brake steer (in the direction of the grabbing brake).


Once the brakes are back together you set out on a Sunday drive. This is the "bedding" phase. Speed should stay under 35mph at first, and braking distances should be increased. Your goal is to keep the brakes from getting hot. For the first few dozen stops, there is a gradually diminishing grinding noise. The pads and rotors wear each other until the surfaces are perfectly mated and smooth. Braking power at light pedal usage will seem high until the surfaces are smooth. If there are any problems you should fix them before you go on to the conditioning phase. If the rotors have been used before but not turned, the bedding phase should be extended until the mating is complete. Braking may seem weak until bedding is complete if the rotors have not been turned.

Once the brake surfaces are "bedded" and there is no shudder, pedal pulsations, or squealing - "conditioning" begins. Gradually shorten you stopping distances and increase speeds. The object here is to subject the brakes to higher temperatures each time you use them until brake pad material becomes fused into the rotor surface. An acrid smell from the pads is typical, but it will go away. Do not stop hard and then sit still, as this will keep the hot pads clamped over a single spot on the rotor. Leave some cruise time between braking episodes so that the hardware can cool down.

Properly bedding and conditioning the brakes will both improve their stopping power, and increase their longevity. Perhaps you have heard the one about the little old lady who never drove fast, and her brakes wore out prematurely. This is true, slow driving and easy braking can cause the abrasive bedding phase to continue until the brakes are worn away.

Beyond conditioning is "glazing". Glazing is caused by extreme heat. The size of the pads and rotors are designed to be sufficient to prevent glazing under normal circumstances. Glazing can cause a reduction in stopping power at first, and uneven rotor thichness wear which can cause grabbing and pulsations later. These pulsations are felt in the brake pedal, and usually seem worse once the brakes are warmed up.

If the contact area of the brakes is too small, or they are subjected to extreme or repeated braking, glazing can occur. Before bedding is complete the contact area of the pads is reduced and qlazing can happen with only moderate braking. If the calipers are not square with the rotors, again the surface area will be reduced and glazing can easily occur.

Extreme heat will change the metal of the rotor at, and well below the surface. This glazed material is very hard and will become raised as the rest of the rotor wears away. Turning the rotor will rarely get rid of all of the glazed material. Glazing of the rotors will usually require their replacement.

To check for glazing, use micrometers to measure the rotor thickness at numerous places around the rotor. If a thicker spot is found, use a file to mark the spot at the outside edge. Draw a picture using the mark as reference. Have the rotors turned and remount using new brake pads. If the problem reoccurs, remeasure the rotor. If the same area is again becoming thicker, you will have to replace the rotor.

It is advisable to mark the rotors while removing (FL, FR, RL, RR) so that they can be reinstalled at the correct location later.

Bad wheel bearings and loose suspension components can affect brake wear and can cause shuddering also. Keep an eye on tire wear patterns.


Sorry for the length, but I hope this covers most bases.



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I don't think this has been covered, but you may want to figure out for sure if it's the fronts or backs causing the vibration. Find a quiet stretch of road and slow from about 50 using only the hand brake to see if the vibration is coming from the rear brakes. Fix these first so they operate smooth and then concentrate on the fronts if needed.


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