they look like schmutz. My friend had the Shu 4 knock off type Exel rims on his Jetta for about 6 months and they just look cheap. the lip looked like sheet metal, they were just horrible. also, wheelmax charged him extra to mount and balance, i believe like 80 bux. we just picked up some konig imagines with yokohama paradas for him at the ring of 675. good stuff. ironic, because i wanted the imagines to begin with, but had a hell of a time finding them in our pattern....oh, yeah, the exel rims came with some bootleg tire too: nankang, they were crappy. it's definitely worth it to spend a little more for good stuff.