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If you did, hopefully you caught John Stossel's latest "Gimme a Break" segment about windmill power generation in Nantucket Sound and how the rich liberals of Massachussets fully support this environmentally friendly way of power generation, but don't want it installed anywhere.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/GiveMeABreak/gmab_windmills030725.html
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Interesting piece...I'd heard that wind generators were very noisy, and, out West at least, the idea was to situate them far from populated areas. And, of course, to be fair, when it comes to politics, Mr. Stossel makes Newt Gingerich look like Abbie Hoffman.
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Originally posted by gwellington:
Interesting piece...I'd heard that wind generators were very noisy, and, out West at least, the idea was to situate them far from populated areas. And, of course, to be fair, when it comes to politics, Mr. Stossel makes Newt Gingerich look like Abbie Hoffman.
Now there's a name I've not heard in a while Abbie "Steal this Book" Hoffman.
Anyway, I'd say 6.5 miles off shore is pretty far away from the population...
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Originally posted by gwellington:
Interesting piece...I'd heard that wind generators were very noisy, and, out West at least, the idea was to situate them far from populated areas. And, of course, to be fair, when it comes to politics, Mr. Stossel makes Newt Gingerich look like Abbie Hoffman.
I'd think that the likes of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. would jump at the chance to make some PR points by backing a environmentally sound project for once rather than just give lipservice like they usually do. Sadly, it appears it's "politics as usual".
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Originally posted by BOFH:
Originally posted by gwellington:
Interesting piece...I'd heard that wind generators were very noisy, and, out West at least, the idea was to situate them far from populated areas. And, of course, to be fair, when it comes to politics, Mr. Stossel makes Newt Gingerich look like Abbie Hoffman.
Now there's a name I've not heard in a while Abbie "Steal this Book" Hoffman.
Anyway, I'd say 6.5 miles off shore is pretty far away from the population...
TB
It will frighten you, Tony, to know that I keep a copy of "Steal this Book" not five feet from my desk. Tho' old Abbie liked guns a bit too much for my taste. Nice quote from the Introduction: "Free speech is the right to shout "theater" in a crowded fire." Ah, the good old days....
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I must have different tastes or something. If I lived near the beach I would be fascinated to have them nearby. The clips they showed of the already-installed ocean wind generators (were those from Denmark? I don't remember) looked awfully tranquil and an easy way to get your mind off things. I would love to have them nearby, even more so knowing they were helping the environment.
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I used to spend Summers at Woods Hole in Cape Cod YEARS ago with friends of the family. It's a BEAUTIFUL area, to be sure.
I hate to say it, but I really wouldn't like to have a windfarm in sight of land around that area, either. If they could move it another couple of miles off-shore, then no problem.
People make it sound like a 4th of July weekend year-round with the powerboat, jet ski, and yacht comments. In can get pretty hairy in some areas, but overall it's much calmer than most would imagine.
I'll not disagree that some of the most wacked-out liberals live on Martha's Vineyard and around the Cape, but it doesn't change the fact that it would serve as a detriment to the beauty around that area, given stated plans.
If they could just move it a few miles out to where the curvature of the Earth would remove it from ground-level sight, then BUILD AWAY!
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Originally posted by gwellington:
It will frighten you, Tony, to know that I keep a copy of "Steal this Book" not five feet from my desk. Tho' old Abbie liked guns a bit too much for my taste. Nice quote from the Introduction: "Free speech is the right to shout "theater" in a crowded fire." Ah, the good old days....
I just find it ironic that he justifies his particular style of graft and theft by saying the corporations make too much money (I.E. they are stealing from the consumers.)
To me that means his is giving them a pass too by modeling the very behaviors he seems to abhor.
I have to say some of what is in there is very clever, but I don't agree with the premise.
For example, when he writes about "acquiring" gas, he instructs folks to look for a Caddy. The implication is because the guy is rich makes it ok to steal from him.
It just makes me shudder to think such people are probably in charge of tax policy in local, state and even federal governments now.
Don't get me wrong, I've got no problem with folks who want to put together a cooperative commune and farm the land to make their bread (double entendre intended.) But to simply steal from "the man" because he has more doesn't square with my largely protestant influenced work ethic.
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Originally posted by JaTo:
I used to spend Summers at Woods Hole in Cape Cod YEARS ago with friends of the family. It's a BEAUTIFUL area, to be sure.
I hate to say it, but I really wouldn't like to have a windfarm in sight of land around that area, either. If they could move it another couple of miles off-shore, then no problem.
People make it sound like a 4th of July weekend year-round with the powerboat, jet ski, and yacht comments. In can get pretty hairy in some areas, but overall it's much calmer than most would imagine.
I'll not disagree that some of the most wacked-out liberals live on Martha's Vineyard and around the Cape, but it doesn't change the fact that it would serve as a detriment to the beauty around that area, given stated plans.
If they could just move it a few miles out to where the curvature of the Earth would remove it from ground-level sight, then BUILD AWAY!
Moving it any farther off shore would be cost prohibitive. I disagree that it would detract from the view anymore than those million dollar houses and yachts do. For anyone to say that a few wind turbines 6 1/2 miles offshore are more of an eyesore than somebody's 5 million dollar bloated boat is IMHO, crazy.
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The difference is the yachts get moored at some pier somewhere and most people that I know don't vacation or move to Cape Cod for the "view" of the houses...
It's the ocean view and aestetic that they go for, as well as the New England "quaintness". Having an everlasting and STATIONARY man-made blenders beating the air just in sight would ruin it for a LOT of folks, not just the wealthy liberals...
I've done a fair amount of boating in that area as well as some fishing, and there are places 8-10 miles out that still don't sink below 50 ft.
I'd like to see the reasoning behind this "cost" issue of moving out past the horizon.
Like I said, I've been up there more than a few times and know the Cape rather well. I've found very few things that "ruin" the view around there (and I'm pretty fussy), but I'm afraid this would. Again, the boats get moored or move on to another location, and I've yet to see too many houses up there detract from the ocean views...
I'm all for calling hypocracy on a bunch of liberal enviro-wackos, but there's a valid concern here.
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