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...installs. I mean, I'm curious to hear about all you guys who have done turbo kit installs to your cars, and I want to hear how many miles you guys have gotten so far WITHOUT ANY ENGINE TEARDOWNS. If you've had your kit for 5000mi and had to teardown twice since your install, then your not included. I only want to know who has done turbo upgrade and had very reliable results (no lean meltdowns) and which kit you bought, along with what other supporting mods you had to make in order to make everything work right. And what psi do you run with your combo?


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Part of my inspiration to start this thread stems from a couple debates that I seen here: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t87655.html
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http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t115376.html
where these 2 guys just seem to argue about which kit is better (one saying the other just blows engines).
I'm just trying to gather some info to see who's kit might be the closest thing to trouble-free 'plug-n-play' on the market. I'm only looking to put a kit onto a stock 2.5L that will have a free flowing exhaust system as the only other mod.


Also, one quick question about the Street fighter turbo kit: Doesn't the water circulating throughout the rear tank eventually get hot after constant driving, and then inturn cause the intercooler to become way less efficient? Seems like this system would only work right if you always kept ice in the tank or something? And in the trunk, the temp would stay really hot in the summertime I would think just from sitting in the sunlight all day? Has anyone conducted any efficiency tests on these water to air intake-air coolers to find out if they work efficiently in a constant duty atmospere?


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Originally posted by Josch:
Part of my inspiration to start this thread stems from a couple debates that I seen here: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t87655.html
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Also, one quick question about the Street FLIGHT (not fighter) turbo kit: Doesn't the water circulating throughout the rear tank eventually get hot after constant driving, and then inturn cause the intercooler to become way less efficient? Seems like this system would only work right if you always kept ice in the tank or something? And in the trunk, the temp would stay really hot in the summertime I would think just from sitting in the sunlight all day? Has anyone conducted any efficiency tests on these water to air intake-air coolers to find out if they work efficiently in a constant duty atmospere?




oh geez! dont even get me started again! that guy doesnt know what hes talking about. basically he thinks with the 24lb injectors, the stock fuel pump, the crappy tuning that Street Flight does, and not to mention he claims none of them know what they are doing especially when it comes to placing an air/air IC on the contour, its causing everyone to blow engines because everyone is running lean.

a couple people have busted some ringlands on some 99 motors due to cylinder pressure, NOT detonation. Theres a post in the 3.0L branch about this thats stickied at the top titled "Piston durability" that explains this. Both of the motors were running minimal amounts of boost ~ 6psi. I highly doubt it was due to running lean.

and yes, efficiency tests have been done. warmonger has calculated an 80% effeciency with his intercooler WITHOUT ice!

he even bashes the idea that SF is using a water/air intercooler, yet he sells a kit WITHOUT an IC and BOV. Makes no sense.


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About 18,000 miles turbo charged with 850 dyno runs. No issues.


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Originally posted by Keyser:
About 18,000 miles turbo charged with 850 dyno runs. No issues.




And who's kit are you running might I ask? What engine combo do you have? Did your kit come with a reprogrammed chip or any other devices to correct mixture/timing maps for WOT?


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I installed the kit myself, with no directions(ok, a couple of phone calls were made ), and have had the kit installed for about 2 months/1,500 miles. The kit works absolutley flawless! The main problem with turbo kits is the fact that people become to accustomed to the new found power, and in turn crank up the boost. This is when yu run into problems...you have guys buying boost controllers, beating on their cars, and then crying when they blow the engine.

The Street Flight kit is the only turbo kit available, as of now anyways....It is a full install and drive kit, provided you have a 3" exhaust system. The kit comes with everything you need to have the car running in about 15 hours.

The intercooler water does get warm, but you need to remember the discharge temperatures that it is responsible for cooling. Also, there is a front mounted heat exchanger to help lower the water temp before heading back to the holding tank in the trunk.

Air to air I/C can run at a maximum of 70% efficiency(on a really cold day), while air to water can exceed 100%efficiency given the right conditions/cooling agent.

As far as the guys talking smack....install your beloved kit and go run some times/numbers. We'll see you after you blow your engine, or when you come crying because your car is slower than anticipated/expected.


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Originally posted by Josch:
Originally posted by Keyser:
About 18,000 miles turbo charged with 850 dyno runs. No issues.




And who's kit are you running might I ask? What engine combo do you have? Did your kit come with a reprogrammed chip or any other devices to correct mixture/timing for maps for WOT?


Keyser is the mule car for Street Flight and does all the chip tuning for the outgoing turbo kits. He has an 00' SVT with stock internals, and has made the most power to date from a F/I 2.5liter 292whp/273wtq!

The tuning is in the form of a Diablosport Delta chip with 2 differing programs...one for daily driving, and one for track days with more timing/fuel. Keyser reworks the timing maps, compensates for the 24lb injectors(in the kit), and does all the other stuff that I/we don't know about.

This is a full kit from the spark plugs to the hose clamps!


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Do you know if Street FLIGHT can make these custom tuned chips for the pre-OBD systems like my '95 (still has EEC)?


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That I do not know.....call Keith at Street Flight (480)615-4366. Get some info on the kit, and get an overall feel of the great customer they offer....as well as the product.


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Originally posted by wavrdr:
That I do not know.....call Keith at Street Flight (480)615-4366. Get some info on the kit, and get an overall feel of the great customer they offer....as well as the product.




Hey, leave him alone this week, he needs to finish my car, LOL.

j/k Give him a call.

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