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Man, can you believe that tirade he was on over there on FCO?
Both Doc and Terry (mostly) just ripping on the svt 3L hybrids! About how the 2.5 SVT parts don't work on a 3L block, etc....
And if they don't work then how come hybrids with SVT cams are the best setups so far?
How about your radiator, are convinced now that we were right about the SVT radiator being bigger? It seems to have cooled off your operating temps alot too.
I just don't know. By the way, that stuff about 24# injectors being required and all that other stuff is just not correct. You are on the right track for now, use stock parts and tune it in with some sort of A/F device. Then work on the normal mods like air intake filter/piping and exhaust piping with headers.
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Originally posted by warmonger:
Man, can you believe that tirade he was on over there on FCO?
Both Doc and Terry (mostly) just ripping on the svt 3L hybrids! About how the 2.5 SVT parts don't work on a 3L block, etc....
And if they don't work then how come hybrids with SVT cams are the best setups so far?
Well, just about everyone here knows the HMS motto: "It's my way, or you are wrong." I don't even have to read the thread to get the jist of it.
I guess my hybrid 3L (180 degF stat included) with 35k on the clock just doesn't work. Yeah, that's it. It's no good for daily driving. Or 800 mile road trips. Or bracket racing. Or turning heads and getting compliments (still a common occurence). Yeah, that's it.
I'm glad we have a place where we can discuss ideas like normal people, even if we disagree (this thread is a perfect example of it).
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Originally posted by warmonger:
Man, can you believe that tirade he was on over there on FCO?
Both Doc and Terry (mostly) just ripping on the svt 3L hybrids! About how the 2.5 SVT parts don't work on a 3L block, etc....
And if they don't work then how come hybrids with SVT cams are the best setups so far?
How about your radiator, are convinced now that we were right about the SVT radiator being bigger? It seems to have cooled off your operating temps alot too.
I just don't know. By the way, that stuff about 24# injectors being required and all that other stuff is just not correct. You are on the right track for now, use stock parts and tune it in with some sort of A/F device. Then work on the normal mods like air intake filter/piping and exhaust piping with headers.
Tom
I was sticking up for the hybrids then doc quit replying 
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Originally posted by kinger:
Originally posted by warmonger:
Man, can you believe that tirade he was on over there on FCO?
Both Doc and Terry (mostly) just ripping on the svt 3L hybrids! About how the 2.5 SVT parts don't work on a 3L block, etc....
And if they don't work then how come hybrids with SVT cams are the best setups so far?
How about your radiator, are convinced now that we were right about the SVT radiator being bigger? It seems to have cooled off your operating temps alot too.
I just don't know. By the way, that stuff about 24# injectors being required and all that other stuff is just not correct. You are on the right track for now, use stock parts and tune it in with some sort of A/F device. Then work on the normal mods like air intake filter/piping and exhaust piping with headers.
Tom
I was sticking up for the hybrids then doc quit replying
Yeah. Doc's all right and so is Terry; they're just...adamant about their ideas. IF you understand that they are right when you are talking to them, then you're all good. 
Truthfully I got a lot of good info from Terry.
One question burns me up though: What happened to the white car they were building, quicksvt's I think? I mean, what was the dyno results and the hyper-secrecy and special mods for it? I kept hoping we'd get some detailed information about the buildup and the results of the mods to add to our knowledge.
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Originally posted by warmonger:
Originally posted by kinger:
Originally posted by warmonger:
Man, can you believe that tirade he was on over there on FCO?
Both Doc and Terry (mostly) just ripping on the svt 3L hybrids! About how the 2.5 SVT parts don't work on a 3L block, etc....
And if they don't work then how come hybrids with SVT cams are the best setups so far?
How about your radiator, are convinced now that we were right about the SVT radiator being bigger? It seems to have cooled off your operating temps alot too.
I just don't know. By the way, that stuff about 24# injectors being required and all that other stuff is just not correct. You are on the right track for now, use stock parts and tune it in with some sort of A/F device. Then work on the normal mods like air intake filter/piping and exhaust piping with headers.
Tom
I was sticking up for the hybrids then doc quit replying
Yeah. Doc's all right and so is Terry; they're just...adamant about their ideas. IF you understand that they are right when you are talking to them, then you're all good.
Truthfully I got a lot of good info from Terry.
One question burns me up though: What happened to the white car they were building, quicksvt's I think? I mean, what was the dyno results and the hyper-secrecy and special mods for it? I kept hoping we'd get some detailed information about the buildup and the results of the mods to add to our knowledge.
warmonger
It was sold to spike on FCO now. I don't think it was anything special.(full 3L maybe) I learn a ton from Terry but I don't have time for doc. He told me that the SC 3L was just too much stuff to make work, now it will work even better because he said that
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Ah man guys. You made this thread a big...  now...  Yeah so they have NO clue what the hell they are talking about. That's not a big surprise nor is it even new knowledge... Nothing's changed. Again no surprise... 
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Dumb Question, (That's why I'm asking it.) Has anyone ran there car without a thermostat? If not what would be some of the ramifications in not having one?
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Originally posted by canamSVT:
Dumb Question, (That's why I'm asking it.) Has anyone ran there car without a thermostat? If not what would be some of the ramifications in not having one?
F'in A man!! Why didn't I think of that???? 
I'm gonna run outside right now and yank that b|tch out!
Who cares if it takes 4x longer to heat my car to operating temp and reduce the fuel injected at idle, or if I have heat in winter (its hot in TX and AZ)so I know I won't need it.
disclaimer (I have consumed all but one swallow of a whole bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon wine by myself tonight. I feel this is funny and all in good fun. Hope you do too! )
PS( Make that a whole bottle! THis post was long and parched my throat.  )
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
Ah man guys. You made this thread a big... now...
Yeah so they have NO clue what the hell they are talking about. That's not a big surprise nor is it even new knowledge...
Nothing's changed. Again no surprise...
Could you break that down to umm... stupid level for me?
I'm just a little slow tonight. I thought this post was dead anyway and I was curious about Blackcoogs success on the radiator deal and all that. Now me being the 'helpfull' person I am, I wanted to help Blackcoog, but since about 75% of everything I recommended was refuted as "nonsense" from FCO, I wondered if I could state it here instead.
I was also hoping you'd put in your opinion as well Demon since once in a while you're pretty slick with cars too. You're always slick with MAF transfer functions, but hey, nobody's a total car guru! 
So how is it blackcoog, does the [censored] work or not? Is your car running bad? Are you going to decide that we don't know what we're talking about over here and go it alone?
no pressure.
warmonger
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Actually running without a thermostat would make little difference during hot weather or strenuous driving. The engine temperature is mainly controlled by the fans and the efficiency of the radiator (I.E. I heard somewhere that the SVT unit is a good upgrade  ) in high demand conditions.
Also something could be said for the fact the coolant stays in the engine for a shorter time without the restriction of the thermostat and may not soak up as much heat as it could. Therefore "possibly" losing some efficiency and giving a cooler reading then otherwise. (I.E. less heat being drawn out = cooler reading coolant temps, yet hotter actual engine temps)
Then there are the obvious problems of running in mild or cold weather where the engine will not remain or even get to proper operating temperatures.
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